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  • #46
    No one would think the planned hit by Goodell on Gruden was misdirection, but it was complete misdirection and a lot of fans fell for it.

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    • #47
      Until emails, records of private conversations and confessions are made public for all NFL executives, coaches and players - none of them can be judged as good, bad or not requiring improvement.

      Without having that information to make proper judgement, only a neutral judgement can be made about those executives, coaches and players. They are in a state of neutrality because their entire history hasn’t been disclosed to the public.

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      • #48
        Gruden has been around the league a long time. I wonder how many executives, coaches and players are worried about him writing a tell all memoir? I mean, does anyone believe he’s the only person who’s made similar comments?

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        • #49
          One benefit of Gruden being outed is the satisfaction that comes when it happens to other NFL executives, coaches, players and those in the media who project their purity - especially the sports media punditry.
          Fantaztic7
          The Simulation
          Last edited by Fantaztic7; 10-16-2021, 05:29 PM.

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          • #50
            Gruden resigned. Why hasn’t Vic Fangio resigned over his comments last year?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
              Gruden resigned. Why hasn’t Vic Fangio resigned over his comments last year?
              What comments?
              My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
              You Mad Bro?
              Don’t Be A Mean Girl
              Hell No!!! To the Texans Quarterback!!!

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              • #52
                Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                What comments?
                "I think our problems in the NFL along those lines are minimal," Fangio said of racism, via ESPN.com. "We're a league of meritocracy. You earn what you get, you get what you earn. I don't see racism at all in the NFL, I don't see discrimination in the NFL. We all live together, joined as one, for one common goal, and we all intermingle and mix tremendously. If society reflected an NFL team, we'd all be great."

                Players were shocked by his comments and he had to apologize days later.



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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                  "I think our problems in the NFL along those lines are minimal," Fangio said of racism, via ESPN.com. "We're a league of meritocracy. You earn what you get, you get what you earn. I don't see racism at all in the NFL, I don't see discrimination in the NFL. We all live together, joined as one, for one common goal, and we all intermingle and mix tremendously. If society reflected an NFL team, we'd all be great."

                  Players were shocked by his comments and he had to apologize days later.


                  That’s not a whole lot different than Aaron Rodgers claiming there aren’t players who have said similar things to what Gruden said in the emails. We know that is a bunch of bull.

                  Vic not having recognized racism isn’t the same thing as saying “homophobic” or misogynistic statements.

                  I’ll give Gruden a pass on the rubber lips comment. He can’t get a pass on the f word or the comments about women though. One is an international defamatory insult and the other is a reflection of discriminatory behavior that has no place in any workplace where gender is irrelevant to capabilities.
                  broncolee
                  Football Immortal
                  Last edited by broncolee; 10-17-2021, 12:27 PM.
                  My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                  You Mad Bro?
                  Don’t Be A Mean Girl
                  Hell No!!! To the Texans Quarterback!!!

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                    That’s not a whole lot different than Aaron Rodgers claiming there aren’t players who have said simuthings to what Gruden said in the emails. We know that is a bunch of bull.

                    Vic not having recognized racism isn’t the same thing as saying “homophobic” or misogynistic statements.

                    I’ll give Gruden a pass on the rubber lips comment. He can’t get a pass on the f word or the comments about women though. One is an international defamatory insult and the other is a reflection of discriminatory behavior that has no place in any workplace where gender is irrelevant to capabilities.
                    Fangio’s comments were different than Gruden’s however, he acknowledged he was wrong and apologized. It is completely unbelievable that he has not seen or heard bad comments from coaches, players and executives over his three and a half decades in the league. He was either totally naive or lied with his initial comments. Not to mention the fact that his comments were totally out of step with the league in addressing disparities in coaching and officiating.

                    Fangio’s comments reflect his complicity in anything that’s happened in the league. Although his comments were different than Gruden’s, he shouldn’t be given a pass. Players were very upset with his comments, so much that he had to have a video conference to apologize. It showed he he was completely out of touch - it’s no wonder the players don’t seem to respond to his coaching with the lack of preparedness often seen on game days.

                    Gruden at least stepped up to resign, while Fangio gave an apology and stayed on board. I can only imagine he has little if any credibility with players after those comments.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                      Fangio’s comments were different than Gruden’s however, he acknowledged he was wrong and apologized. It is completely unbelievable that he has not seen or heard bad comments from coaches, players and executives over his three and a half decades in the league. He was either totally naive or lied with his initial comments. Not to mention the fact that his comments were totally out of step with the league in addressing disparities in coaching and officiating.

                      Fangio’s comments reflect his complicity in anything that’s happened in the league. Although his comments were different than Gruden’s, he shouldn’t be given a pass. Players were very upset with his comments, so much that he had to have a video conference to apologize. It showed he he was completely out of touch - it’s no wonder the players don’t seem to respond to his coaching with the lack of preparedness often seen on game days.

                      Gruden at least stepped up to resign, while Fangio gave an apology and stayed on board. I can only imagine he has little if any credibility with players after those comments.
                      If Fangio’s comments were an issue, he would have been fired last year. The players aren’t going to grin and bear it for a losing coach.
                      My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                      You Mad Bro?
                      Don’t Be A Mean Girl
                      Hell No!!! To the Texans Quarterback!!!

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                        If Fangio’s comments were an issue, he would have been fired last year. The players aren’t going to grin and bear it for a losing coach.
                        Gruden wasn’t fired - does that mean his comments weren’t an issue?

                        If Fangio’s comments weren’t an issue why did players express shock about what he said, and why did he have to call a meeting to apologize?

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                          Gruden wasn’t fired - does that mean his comments weren’t an issue?

                          If Fangio’s comments weren’t an issue why did players express shock about what he said, and why did he have to call a meeting to apologize?
                          We’ll never really know if Gruden’s emails were an issue for the players because he resigned.

                          Clearly Fangio’s apology was enough and thus, his comments are not an issue.
                          My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                          You Mad Bro?
                          Don’t Be A Mean Girl
                          Hell No!!! To the Texans Quarterback!!!

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                          • #58
                            Gruden did a great job of developing Carr. He also rebuilt the Raiders into being in a position to compete for the AFC West.
                            Fantaztic7
                            The Simulation
                            Last edited by Fantaztic7; 10-17-2021, 05:31 PM. Reason: Spelling

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by broncolee View Post

                              We’ll never really know if Gruden’s emails were an issue for the players because he resigned.

                              Clearly Fangio’s apology was enough and thus, his comments are not an issue.
                              It’s evident in how well the players have bought into his leadership. They really show a lot of fight for Fangio.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View Post

                                It’s evident in how well the players have bought into his leadership. They really show a lot of fight for Fangio.
                                I’m going to assume this is sarcasm and just say that maybe Fangio is just a bad head coach and that’s why they can’t beat good teams or a team without a head coach.
                                My Opinion isn’t determined by what the Popular Opinion is. Sometimes I agree with the Majority, Sometimes I Don’t. If My Opinion is Different than Yours, I have to Ask One Question:
                                You Mad Bro?
                                Don’t Be A Mean Girl
                                Hell No!!! To the Texans Quarterback!!!

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