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  • #16
    you guys, that isn't just a fantasy site, go check out the article, it's from kansascity.com, and written by that teischer guy you hate. - http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.as...12007ayt1280yt

    Written by: ADAM TEICHER ¦ 4/21/2007
    Source: www.kansascity.com
    The Chiefs have obvious needs at cornerback and defensive line and wants at several other positions, most notably wide receiver.

    It's not a good year for them to be short a draft pick, which they are because they sent their fourth-round choice to New Orleans in last season's trade for running back Michael Bennett.

    Those six picks are fewer than the Chiefs have had since 2002, which was one of their lousier drafts. They had little margin for error but made them anyway when they picked defensive tackles Ryan Sims and Eddie Freeman in the first two rounds.

    That's why the Chiefs are offering in trades quarterback Trent Green, starting safety Greg Wesley, kick returner Dante Hall and even running back Larry Johnson.
    They're looking for extra picks that will allow them to cast a bigger net.

    A trade sending Green to Miami for a draft pick makes too much sense not to happen. All parties want to see it happen. The Chiefs would like to open their quarterback spot for Brodie Croyle, the Dolphins desperately need an experienced passer, and Green sees the Dolphins as the ideal place to continue his career.

    That doesn't mean a deal is imminent. The Chiefs and Dolphins appear no closer to an agreement on compensation than they were when discussions began last month.

    Recent Chiefs negotiations involving a veteran player for a draft pick weren't completed until shortly before the draft. The trades in which the Chiefs acquired Green and cornerback Patrick Surtain are examples.

    The chance for a trade involving any of the other players is less certain.

    "I'm not confident of anything at this point," president/general manager Carl Peterson said. "We'll see what happens. Usually what happens is that they come the night before or the day of the draft or even the second day of the draft.

    "We have a void in one round that we'd like to fill if we can. If you have doubles in any round, it's always nice."

    The Chiefs drafted Bernard Pollard and Jarrad Page last season to become their eventual starting safeties. That time would be this year if the Chiefs trade Wesley.

    They released the other starter, Sammy Knight, last month.

    "The team is going to do what it's going to do," said Wesley's agent, Drew Pittman.

    He wouldn't say whether the Chiefs have told him they are trying to trade Wesley.

    "Greg wants to play football and help the Chiefs win games. If it becomes another team, then he'll try to help another team win games. Wherever he ends up, a lot of that is out of his control."

    There should be a market for Wesley and Hall, even though his return skills appear to have declined. It might take plenty for another team to pry Johnson from the Chiefs, but the Chiefs may have been preparing for a deal when it interviewed this week at Arrowhead Stadium several backs who are available in the draft.

    If the Chiefs don't make a trade and make only six draft picks, it changes their approach.

    "They're all important picks when you only have six," said Bill Kuharich, their vice president for player personnel. "If you've got compensatory picks and multiple picks in later rounds, then you can do some things. There might be a position that's kind of a luxury pick. We don't have that benefit this year.

    "If you get two or three or four (extra) picks later on, you might want to use them to move up to a higher round because there's somebody in your opinion that has fallen through the cracks that fits with what you want to do, so you go up and get him."

    Being short a pick virtually eliminates the Chiefs' ability to trade up in a given round. They have too many needs for this to be a one-player draft. A trade down to obtain an extra pick or two makes more sense.

    The Chiefs would like another draft like last season's. As many as four draft picks from last year could start for them next season - defensive end Tamba Hali plus Croyle, Pollard and Page.

    "One of the things that attracted me very much about Herm Edwards is that he is not afraid and never has been throughout his career � to play young players," Peterson said. "He appreciates and understands what they can and can't do as well or better than most coaches in the National Football League."

    The Chiefs also need to make good use of college free-agency, which consists of players who go undrafted.

    "It's the job of player personnel to find a player in every round," Kuharich said. "It carries over into what we call the eighth round, which is free-agency. We got Sammy Knight (when he was with New Orleans) as a college free agent. Everybody has stories like that.

    "We only have six picks. We'd like to have more picks, and hopefully we'll have more picks. If we don't, we'll continue to work that area hard to see if we can get two or three or four college free agents to come in here and if they don't make the (active roster), then hopefully they'll make the practice squad and a year from now, with coaching � it's almost like getting bonus draft picks."
    http://www.kansascity.com/
    that ffwire site just posts football player / team stories from around the USA, much like kffl.com

    it's just a news gathering site , but the news is real.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by WABronco
      I did add something, though. LJ being a malcontent a-hole does relate to this topic, does it not?
      No, thats just spreading rumors which belongs int he correct place.

      That is not true, you think you know, but you dont. Go back and talk about Seattle
      players and what they are like or what Denver players are like.... I've met LJ, i've
      heard more of his interviews than you, i've heard more about what he does than
      you.... You only hear what makes good stories, you dont hear the everyday stuff.
      Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

      ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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      • #18
        Originally posted by jcdavey
        you guys, that isn't just a fantasy site, go check out the article, it's from kansascity.com, and written by that teischer guy you hate. - http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.as...12007ayt1280yt

        that ffwire site just posts football player / team stories from around the USA, much like kffl.com

        it's just a news gathering site , but the news is real.
        Which im pretty sure i told you of another one his articles consisted of, if you know
        anything about Baseball at all you could tell this guy is just plain foolish.
        Club Leader: Robert Griffin III > Andrew Luck

        ^^^Get used to it.^^^

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        • #19
          Originally posted by WABronco
          I did add something, though. LJ being a malcontent a-hole does relate to this topic, does it not?
          well I didnt see it in the link

          must have missed that
          Tony G


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          • #20
            all stories and articles are just rumors
            no matter who they are written by or
            what site they are on...

            I listen to Lenny Dawson every morning
            M-F
            When I hear him say something,then it'll
            mean something but hey these guys gotta
            have something to write about,its their jobs.
            Tony G


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            • #21
              Originally posted by KCLadyFan
              well I didnt see it in the link

              must have missed that
              All right all right...

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              • #22
                Originally posted by GridironChamp
                That is not true, you think you know, but you dont.
                There ya go again, always owning me with the stellar counterpoints.

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                • #23
                  The way I see it, the Chiefs need to consider the team as a whole when they look at this.

                  Do the Chiefs think they can contend for a championship this season or next? Definitely not this season IMO and probably not next however two good offseasons can change that. I think the Chiefs are rebuilding which is a good thing IMO.

                  Now, if the Chiefs take a couple of years to become a challenger for a title do they really want to sink $60 or $70 million in a runningback who will be 29 or 30 by the time we are again a challenger? Do they want to sink that much into a player who will continue to take alot of beating until we get more offensive weapons?

                  IMO if the right offer came along the Chiefs would be smart to take it. They could add a younger runningback who can grow along with our new 2nd year quarterback and a younger team. There are several teams in the middle rounds such as Buffalo, Green Bay, and Tennessee who all need a new runningback and who COULD be interested in LJ. With one of their picks Marshawn Lynch very well could be available.

                  IMO the value of LJ is at least two 1st round picks if not more or at least something comparable. He is definitely worth more than the 1st and 3rd San Diego is asking for Turner.

                  If the Chiefs got a great value for LJ it would set the team up for great success.
                  "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                  It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                  • #24
                    If the Chiefs did put LJ out there to trade
                    there would be alot of teams interested...

                    as far as a rebuilding year for the Chiefs
                    I can agree with that

                    gee...another one of Carl's 5 year plans
                    Tony G


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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by kmartin575
                      The way I see it, the Chiefs need to consider the team as a whole when they look at this.

                      Do the Chiefs think they can contend for a championship this season or next? Definitely not this season IMO and probably not next however two good offseasons can change that. I think the Chiefs are rebuilding which is a good thing IMO.

                      Now, if the Chiefs take a couple of years to become a challenger for a title do they really want to sink $60 or $70 million in a runningback who will be 29 or 30 by the time we are again a challenger? Do they want to sink that much into a player who will continue to take alot of beating until we get more offensive weapons?

                      IMO if the right offer came along the Chiefs would be smart to take it. They could add a younger runningback who can grow along with our new 2nd year quarterback and a younger team. There are several teams in the middle rounds such as Buffalo, Green Bay, and Tennessee who all need a new runningback and who COULD be interested in LJ. With one of their picks Marshawn Lynch very well could be available.

                      IMO the value of LJ is at least two 1st round picks if not more or at least something comparable. He is definitely worth more than the 1st and 3rd San Diego is asking for Turner.

                      If the Chiefs got a great value for LJ it would set the team up for great success.
                      **falls off chair**

                      kmartin writes a post w/o any smack in it!!!
                      -and its a very good one at that!

                      The only thing that I will add to this discussion is that the Chiefs did the same thing a few years back when they had an All-Pro RB and they chose one in the 1rst round......I think that turned out ok for them......

                      From watching Michael Bennett play many many games with Minnesota, I definitely see the reason for needing a backup runningback! Bennett does more tap-dancing than Sammy Davis Jr. ever did.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Pipes7
                        **falls off chair**

                        kmartin writes a post w/o any smack in it!!!
                        -and its a very good one at that!

                        The only thing that I will add to this discussion is that the Chiefs did the same thing a few years back when they had an All-Pro RB and they chose one in the 1rst round......I think that turned out ok for them......

                        From watching Michael Bennett play many many games with Minnesota, I definitely see the reason for needing a backup runningback! Bennett does more tap-dancing than Sammy Davis Jr. ever did.
                        I gotta agree with you. This is a good post and KMartin thanks for
                        keeping it civil

                        As far as Bennett...I like him..
                        Tony G


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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Pipes7
                          **falls off chair**

                          kmartin writes a post w/o any smack in it!!!
                          -and its a very good one at that!

                          The only thing that I will add to this discussion is that the Chiefs did the same thing a few years back when they had an All-Pro RB and they chose one in the 1rst round......I think that turned out ok for them......

                          From watching Michael Bennett play many many games with Minnesota, I definitely see the reason for needing a backup runningback! Bennett does more tap-dancing than Sammy Davis Jr. ever did.
                          Bennett isn't bad at all if he can stay healthy.

                          On the limited number of carries he got he averaged 5.6 yards and had two runs of 20+ yards.

                          Also, please don't take this as smack but he even had more yards in one carry against Denver than Denver had the entire game. Bennett still is one of the fastest runningbacks in the NFL.

                          I don't agree at all with us taking a runningback on day one UNLESS we trade LJ. Then of course it would be completely necessary.

                          However, if we use a first day pick on a RB we are ignoring other much more need picks such as WR, OG, DT, CB, and perhaps C or OT. Carl Peterson is an idiot if he uses another first day pick on a runningback with LJ still on the team.
                          "And we all know that stats don't mean anything if you don't have the wins to back them up"-ChampWJ

                          It's a good thing Jay Cutler was a proven winner in college. Oh wait, nevermind.

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                          • #28
                            i think if the chiefs traded LJ, they'd be either filling some of their holes, or getting 1st day picks that will fill their holes
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by kmartin575
                              Bennett isn't bad at all if he can stay healthy.

                              On the limited number of carries he got he averaged 5.6 yards and had two runs of 20+ yards.

                              Also, please don't take this as smack but he even had more yards in one carry against Denver than Denver had the entire game. Bennett still is one of the fastest runningbacks in the NFL.

                              I don't agree at all with us taking a runningback on day one UNLESS we trade LJ. Then of course it would be completely necessary.

                              However, if we use a first day pick on a RB we are ignoring other much more need picks such as WR, OG, DT, CB, and perhaps C or OT. Carl Peterson is an idiot if he uses another first day pick on a runningback with LJ still on the team.
                              MAYBE he is a different back now than the one I saw (in person a couple of times) and the Chiefs have corrected his technique....but the Michael Bennett I saw for the last two or three years in MN-was awful. He couldn't stay healthy and when he was in there, he would run into his own blockers, tap dance behind the LOS, and go down with the flick of a defender's pinky finger.

                              First off, I didn't take it as smack...esp if its a fact. However this is a meaningless stat-to me. This happens A LOT in the NFL. Barry Sanders had a few games where he'd finish with negative yards, but when he was playing-I wouldn't take anyone over him.

                              -P.S. As much as I dislike Bennett's game....he's still a very talented player with sickening speed....and I was not a fan of the backs that Denver had last yr as "carrying the load type of backs." I like Mike and Tater, but not as a full-time starter and it doesn't surprise me that another team's backup rb rushed for more yards in a game than these two. Travis Henry may not be in LT or LJ's league, but he is a workhorse back who can be that "carry the load type of back" and would not expect too many backup rb's to outrush Denver next year, especially on one carry!

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