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  • anton...
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    Originally posted by LDB
    Obviously it is statutory rape. Which is why I used the phrase..."not rape in the technical sense of the word." That being violent and traumatizing...ie. #s 1, 2, and 4 of the definition.

    Nothing anyone can say will convince me that the boy was forced against his will to do this. Nor will it convince me that he was traumatized by the event.
    The woman is irresponsible. She broke the law and should have to deal with the consequences. But let's not go overboard here.

    And, yes, the victim being a boy does make a difference in my mind. Yes, there is a double standard.
    i totally agree...

    i just cant see this event haunting or mentally scarring the teenager...

    no harm was done...

    both parties probably had fun...

    laws are laws, but its there is no equality mumbo jumbo required here...

    hell, when i was 13 one of my friends mother was smoking hot and a bunch of us boys would have lost a finger to sleep with her...

    :2cents:

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  • LDB
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    Originally posted by Kapaibro
    How is it not rape?

    Because it's a guy?

    Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.

    –noun
    1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
    3. statutory rape*
    4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

    5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

    –verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
    7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
    8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

    –verb (used without object)
    9. to commit rape.


    *statutory rape -noun
    sexual intercourse with a person (girl or boy) who has not reached the age of consent (even if both parties participate willingly)
    Obviously it is statutory rape. Which is why I used the phrase..."not rape in the technical sense of the word." That being violent and traumatizing...ie. #s 1, 2, and 4 of the definition.

    Nothing anyone can say will convince me that the boy was forced against his will to do this. Nor will it convince me that he was traumatized by the event.
    The woman is irresponsible. She broke the law and should have to deal with the consequences. But let's not go overboard here.

    And, yes, the victim being a boy does make a difference in my mind. Yes, there is a double standard.
    Last edited by LDB; 07-19-2007, 08:57 AM.

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  • Kapaibro
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    Originally posted by LDB
    This is not rape in the technical sense of the word. To use it as such is nonsense.
    How is it not rape?

    Because it's a guy?

    Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation noun, verb, raped, rap·ing.

    –noun
    1. the unlawful compelling of a woman through physical force or duress to have sexual intercourse.
    2. any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person.
    3. statutory rape*
    4. an act of plunder, violent seizure, or abuse; despoliation; violation: the rape of the countryside.

    5. Archaic. the act of seizing and carrying off by force.

    –verb (used with object) 6. to force to have sexual intercourse.
    7. to plunder (a place); despoil.
    8. to seize, take, or carry off by force.

    –verb (used without object)
    9. to commit rape.


    *statutory rape -noun
    sexual intercourse with a person (girl or boy) who has not reached the age of consent (even if both parties participate willingly)

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Originally posted by LDB
    This is not rape in the technical sense of the word. To use it as such is nonsense.
    Rape is taking advantage of a person for your own sexual gratification.

    The victim is 15 years old.

    The offender is 51 years old.

    If the offender is a legal adult then it is the sexual exploitation of a child.

    To be a legal adult you must be 18 (and in some places 17) in order to be charged with the sexual exploitation of a child. The offender has taken advantage of a child and so it is the sexual exploitation of a child. It is rape. She should be locked away for a decade or more - just like any other sexual predator.

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  • LDB
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    Originally posted by Charlie Brown
    I find it disgusting that people laugh and joke that he "enjoyed" it. Rape is rape. Period. There is no "pleasure" in rape for the victim. This woman has taken advantage of a child for her own sexual gratification.
    This is not rape in the technical sense of the word. To use it as such is nonsense.

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Originally posted by Kapaibro
    Finally, someone who doesn't think this is funny.

    I refuse to believe that any parent here would be happy to find out that one of their friends/accquaintances had sex with their child.

    People can laugh it up all they want about how he 'enjoyed' it, but the fact remains that this woman broke the law. Even if you think it's a dumb law, it's still the law.

    And as for the whole 'boy vs girl maturity', argument, girls are actually the more emotionally/psychologically mature at the age of 15 than boys.
    I find it disgusting that people laugh and joke that he "enjoyed" it. Rape is rape. Period. There is no "pleasure" in rape for the victim. This woman has taken advantage of a child for her own sexual gratification.

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  • RBDynasty
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    Originally posted by Kapaibro
    7/17/2007 4:04:49 PM

    The wife of former Cincinnati Bengal lineman Tom Dinkel will be sentenced in August on third-degree rape charges.

    Jeni Dinkel, 51, has admitted to sexual activity with her son's 15-year-old friend during a wild party at the family home.

    Dinkel works as a Hollywood makeup artist when she's not at her home south of Cincinnati.

    Judge Gregory Bartlett said earlier this month that he thought the case was "too far off the norm" to accept a plea deal.

    He expressed concern over the fact that Dinkel continued to say the 15-year-old victim initiated the sexual contact.

    After hearing from the judge that she'd be sentenced sooner than she expected, Jeni Lee Dinkel left the courtroom in tears.

    It's a clear victory for the 15-year old victim's family who just wants the legal proceedings to get over quickly.

    "She just wanted to make sure that the bulk of this criminal thing could be done and over with before the school year starts so her son doesn't have this hanging over his head for the rest of the school year," said Rene Heinrich, the victim's attorney.

    The judge also ordered a sexual offender assessment to be done by the Kenton County Probation Department.

    Dinkel's attorneys had presented their own assessment.
    I call BS. I bet that kid enjoyed every moment of it and then boasted to all his friends afterwards. Now he'll be rich too.

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  • Kapaibro
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    Originally posted by Charlie Brown
    Women are perfectly capable of raping someone.

    Rape is rape and the victim was a child.

    If an 18 year old has sex with a 15 year old it is illegal and the 18 year old will be charged w/ child molestation.

    A 51 year old has sex with a 15 year old - definitely child molestation.

    It doesn't matter if it is a man that committed the crime or a woman - it is still child molestation.
    Finally, someone who doesn't think this is funny.

    I refuse to believe that any parent here would be happy to find out that one of their friends/accquaintances had sex with their child.

    People can laugh it up all they want about how he 'enjoyed' it, but the fact remains that this woman broke the law. Even if you think it's a dumb law, it's still the law.

    And as for the whole 'boy vs girl maturity', argument, girls are actually the more emotionally/psychologically mature at the age of 15 than boys.

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  • Charlie Brown
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    Originally posted by anton...
    im sure the "rape victim" enjoyed it...

    Women are perfectly capable of raping someone.

    Rape is rape and the victim was a child.

    If an 18 year old has sex with a 15 year old it is illegal and the 18 year old will be charged w/ child molestation.

    A 51 year old has sex with a 15 year old - definitely child molestation.

    It doesn't matter if it is a man that committed the crime or a woman - it is still child molestation.

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  • BF_forever
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    Originally posted by Kapaibro
    7/17/2007 4:04:49 PM

    The wife of former Cincinnati Bengal lineman Tom Dinkel will be sentenced in August on third-degree rape charges.

    Jeni Dinkel, 51, has admitted to sexual activity with her son's 15-year-old friend during a wild party at the family home.

    Dinkel works as a Hollywood makeup artist when she's not at her home south of Cincinnati.

    Judge Gregory Bartlett said earlier this month that he thought the case was "too far off the norm" to accept a plea deal.

    He expressed concern over the fact that Dinkel continued to say the 15-year-old victim initiated the sexual contact.

    After hearing from the judge that she'd be sentenced sooner than she expected, Jeni Lee Dinkel left the courtroom in tears.

    It's a clear victory for the 15-year old victim's family who just wants the legal proceedings to get over quickly.

    "She just wanted to make sure that the bulk of this criminal thing could be done and over with before the school year starts so her son doesn't have this hanging over his head for the rest of the school year," said Rene Heinrich, the victim's attorney.

    The judge also ordered a sexual offender assessment to be done by the Kenton County Probation Department.

    Dinkel's attorneys had presented their own assessment.

    I feel sorry for the son of the wife. He will never here the end of the yo momma jokes for that one.
    From a teenagers perspective. The "victim" is lucky

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  • anton...
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    im sure the "rape victim" enjoyed it...

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  • saltybuggah
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    Originally posted by Kapaibro
    She had sex with her sons friend.

    His parents obviously felt that these people were responsible and trusted them with their child. She betrayed that trust.

    Regardless of whether or not he initiated the sex is besides the point. Not only was he too young to have sex with, she was in a position of responsibility. No different from a teacher sleeping with a student, regardless of gender.
    she was in a position but not one of responsibility

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  • Ravage!!!
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    Originally posted by HORSEPOWER 56
    That's because there is a double standard. There always has been and in this case I'm almost not opposed to it. Is it wrong? In the eyes of the Law, yes. Do you think this 15 yr old boy is going to be traumatized by the experience? Not in the least. Much like the boy who was having sex with his young, very attractive teacher.

    I'm still of the opinion, call me tasteless, a dinosaur, old fashioned, insensitive, whatever, that a man (in this case a teenage boy) can't really be "raped" by a woman. I understand statutory rape laws and the reasons for them, but especially in this case, there was no "forcible" assault. At 15, he knew what he was doing. I was "bumping uglies" at 15 (granted, it was with teenage girls) and so are most high schoolers and have been since the 60's. I find it really difficult (and I'm a father with a son of my own) to believe that they should put this woman away for rape. Personally, (and yes I do have a HUGE double standard) I would be much more upset if it was my juvenile daughter with an over-aged man than my juvenile son with a woman.

    Sex is completely different both physically and psychologically for men and women. IMO, the statutes should be different accordingly.
    I completely agree with you here. IF she had tied him down and forced something into his anus without his consent, THEN it would have been rape. That 15 yr old boy most probably wasn't a virgin, and he was just as consenting as she was.

    Double standard? Perhaps. But that boy isn't going ot be traumatized by the sexual act at all. He's traumatized by his parents taking him to court and having to testify against the woman he had fun with... and his friend's mom.

    Should she just be let go? No. Should she have done it...no. But I believe, as HorsePower 56 stated so well... the status should be treated differently.
    Last edited by Ravage!!!; 07-18-2007, 09:17 AM.

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  • HORSEPOWER 56
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    Originally posted by Sniptilla
    If a woman taps a 15 year old, it's no big deal and the punishments are light. If a guy taps a 15yr old, it's huge and the punishments are most severe. If justice were indeed blind, the sex of the offender who mean nothing and every person that violates a child would be sentenced to the highest degree with no exceptions.

    That's because there is a double standard. There always has been and in this case I'm almost not opposed to it. Is it wrong? In the eyes of the Law, yes. Do you think this 15 yr old boy is going to be traumatized by the experience? Not in the least. Much like the boy who was having sex with his young, very attractive teacher.

    I'm still of the opinion, call me tasteless, a dinosaur, old fashioned, insensitive, whatever, that a man (in this case a teenage boy) can't really be "raped" by a woman. I understand statutory rape laws and the reasons for them, but especially in this case, there was no "forcible" assault. At 15, he knew what he was doing. I was "bumping uglies" at 15 (granted, it was with teenage girls) and so are most high schoolers and have been since the 60's. I find it really difficult (and I'm a father with a son of my own) to believe that they should put this woman away for rape. Personally, (and yes I do have a HUGE double standard) I would be much more upset if it was my juvenile daughter with an over-aged man than my juvenile son with a woman.

    Sex is completely different both physically and psychologically for men and women. IMO, the statutes should be different accordingly.

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  • Kapaibro
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    She had sex with her sons friend.

    His parents obviously felt that these people were responsible and trusted them with their child. She betrayed that trust.

    Regardless of whether or not he initiated the sex is besides the point. Not only was he too young to have sex with, she was in a position of responsibility. No different from a teacher sleeping with a student, regardless of gender.

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