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    Does anyone think that race has anything to do with what is going on. This stupid reporter seems to think everybody black is supporting mike vic, and everyone white is against him. You should help me write this guy and let heim know that it is not a black and white issue but a right or wrong issue. I tired of everybody throwing the race card out. Why can't we all just be americans. Please do me a favor after you read this and write this dan guy and tell him to get a clue.

    GO BRONCOS

    "RICHMOND, Va. – The crowded, chaotic sidewalk on Main Street, across from the federal courthouse, was an unlikely location for a lesson on the virtues of the fifth amendment.

    But standing behind a throng that wanted a pound of Michael Vick's flesh – people that had just screamed for the Atlanta Falcons quarterback to "burn in hell" and held signs advocating his murder, torture and neutering – was Thomas Smith in work boots and a white t-shirt.

    High above his head he held a simple sign with just a single word: "Constitution."

    "These folks have convicted a man who hasn't even had a chance to defend himself," said Smith. "They just forget everything about America."

    But here was America in full force, full vision, mixing it up while Vick pled not guilty to federal charges pertaining to an alleged dog-fighting ring on property he owned in rural Surry County. And front and center, impossible to ignore, was race.

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    Like Smith, almost all of the people supporting Vick or holding signs pleading for "due process" and "innocence until proven guilty" were African American.

    On the other side was an emotional, angry, passionate anti-Vick group that was overwhelmingly white.

    Certainly not every animal rights supporter was screaming for Vick to die. Many were just there to support the cause of caring for animals, ending the barbaric practice of dog fighting and using the massive media presence to benefit good.

    But a significant number were focused on Vick. When he emerged from a black SUV and made a slow walk up a ramp and into the courthouse, they pushed toward police barriers and let loose.

    "Burn in hell you (expletive) (expletive)," repeatedly screamed one woman.

    "Die like those dogs," shouted another.

    Not long after Vick got inside the courthouse – and in a scene that was repeated when he left less than two hours later – the two sides clashed in shouted voices and dueling signs.

    White people screaming for justice; black people asking if they still remember everything justice entails.

    That a case involving dog fighting can break so quickly along racial lines is a testament to how it bubbles below just about everything in this country. We all wish it wasn't so, including both sides here. No one wanted this. Almost no one even wanted to acknowledge it. But it was there, plain as day in black and white.

    "I wouldn't say it's a racial thing," said David Williams, an African American, in a hopeful tone. "It's not racial. But for these animal rights people to take one person and crucify him isn't fair."

    The thing is, the "animal rights people" here were an estimated 90 percent white. The pro-Vick/due process crowd was probably 95 percent black.

    Obviously, both animal rights advocates and due process proponents come in all colors. And certainly a circus show like this, revved up by a massive media presence, isn't representative of America.

    But, then again, I also know what I saw and what I heard.

    "They are not going to give the man a chance?" Williams said. "You're innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't even had a trial yet."

    There should be two undeniable, 100 percent agreed upon truths concerning this case: First, dog fighting is a barbaric felony and whoever participated in it on Vick's property should get hammered by the justice system.

    Second, Vick deserves the right to defend against the charges. The indictment cites four "cooperating witnesses," but presuming each is a dog fighter himself, potentially facing prosecution unless they rolled on Vick, who and how reliable are they?

    That said, the U.S. Attorney's office is known for its detail and diligence – this isn't some hack county prosecutor like the Duke lacrosse case. They rarely lose, so the challenge for Vick is serious and significant. But he has the right to fight.

    "This is going to be a hard-fought trial," agreed Billy Martin, Vick's attorney.

    It may not be any less intense than the scene out on Main Street, where two sides, clearly divided and easily identifiable, both anchored in righteous beliefs and moral causes went at it.

    Two black women held a sign declaring: "I support Mike Vick due process." That caused vocal jeering from the protesters, which in turn caused the women to taunt them back by waving the sign at them. Later two men had to be separated by security as their debate descended toward physical confrontation, all as a crowd surrounded shouting in all directions.

    And on and on it went on this hot Southern sidewalk."

    Dan Wetzel is Yahoo! Sports' national columnist. Send Dan a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
    Hillis will be the best full back in the league by the end of the year!!!!!!!!!

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    Same thing happened through the entire OJ case. It isn't going to change, at least not for a while.

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    • #3
      it's sad in todays society that you can't mentioned the words black, or white in racial terms because people freak as soon as they see it.

      why? no reason. they just do. it's a knee-jerk, automatic reaction.

      "black? white? OMG IT'S RACIST!"

      but i don't think this guy did anything wrong. he just pointed out what he saw. maybe instead of blindly just thinking he's a racist, we should read what he said and use it somehow to better our society. he didn't accuse anyone of anything wrong, he didn't come off as a bigot whatsoever. it's just what he saw.

      dave chappelle has used racial comedy i think to bridge the gap and give us a closer look at what divides us and how foolish we can all be about this. maybe he's using a football article to do the same thing. point is this article isn't automatically racist and he isn't sayign the trial is about race. this doesn't have to be a bad thing. this article doesn't berate anyone or speak negatively or takes sides, so it's pretty much up to us how we interpret it. good or bad.
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      • #4
        I think this thread is :offtopic: and will end up being moved to another forum shortly

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        • #5
          As this is really a Mike Vick story and not a Bronco story, I am going to move this to Other Teams. I'll leave a redirect though in GD for a few weeks.

          People, be careful what you post in this thread. DO NOT LOSE YOUR COOL in this one. Along with your posting privledges.

          Last edited by JWinn; 07-27-2007, 02:22 PM.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Q-niverse View Post
            I think this thread is :offtopic: and will end up being moved to another forum shortly

            I believe this discussion is simply about race and I will allow this thread to be discussed in a civil manner. It will be added to "Other NFL Teams" though.


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            • #7
              Originally posted by AsianOrange View Post
              I believe this discussion is simply about race and I will allow this thread to be discussed in a civil manner. It will be added to "Other NFL Teams" though.
              I meant off topic to the General Discussion forum. Sorry for the confusion in my post.

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              • #8
                No sweat Q!


                This probably should be in P&R, but as the thread starter doesn't have access, so we'll leave it here for now.

                We'll give it a try here.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by AsianOrange View Post
                  I believe this discussion is simply about race and I will allow this thread to be discussed in a civil manner. It will be added to "Other NFL Teams" though.
                  I put this on here because of the race issue. Not in a bad way though. I want everyone to get over it and quit being racest. I don't know why he had to say 90% of the black were on vics side and 90% of white people were against vic. Why could it have not been fraised vic had alot of people there for him and against him. There is no need to bring race into this. This is about him being involved in a dog fighting club wether he is guilty on not. This should not make anyone mad I think its time we all just become people.
                  Hillis will be the best full back in the league by the end of the year!!!!!!!!!

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by broncos0707 View Post
                    I put this on here because of the race issue. Not in a bad way though. I want everyone to get over it and quit being racest. I don't know why he had to say 90% of the black were on vics side and 90% of white people were against vic. Why could it have not been fraised vic had alot of people there for him and against him. There is no need to bring race into this. This is about him being involved in a dog fighting club wether he is guilty on not. This should not make anyone mad I think its time we all just become people.
                    that's the thing-in order to realize we're all just people, we need to acknowledge different colors. like we do anything else. because it's when we can do that and not in a negative way, that's when it becomes like anything else that seperates us from one another.

                    if one person has green eyes and one has blue, no one is bothered when it's pointed out. it's not "eyeist" is it? because it's no big deal. but the foundation of race as we see is the same thing. it's something that person can't help. yes you can wear contacts but you get the idea. we bring up things everyday that seperate us in the same sense as race, but we're not bothered. i think in order to eliminate the problem we need to just forget about seperating blacks and whites, period. racism against any culture or people is frowned upon obviously, but there's this extra little bit of sensitivity when it's about someone who is black. that is the very thing that needs to stop. to preach equality and then turn around and act like that is contradicting. anti-prejudice groups seem always to be protesting against bigotry yet they're separating themselves at the same time. we need to be able to talk about this without freaking out. it's just a color. just like we have little or no problems bringing up age. or sex.

                    maybe the problem with the article was people assume it was about vick and dogfighting. i don't think it was. i think it was a racially focused piece, tied to the biggest news in the nfl right now. it makes more sense that way.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NinjaPirateFunk View Post

                      dave chappelle has used racial comedy i think to bridge the gap and give us a closer look at what divides us and how foolish we can all be about this. maybe he's using a football article to do the same thing. point is this article isn't automatically racist and he isn't sayign the trial is about race. this doesn't have to be a bad thing. this article doesn't berate anyone or speak negatively or takes sides, so it's pretty much up to us how we interpret it. good or bad.
                      There is a cultural differance. For better or worse. i could go on but this isnt P & R
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                      While he sits by his hearth at home.
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                      • #12
                        there's always some differences but at the core, it might be the same goal.

                        to be able to discuss race without automtically feeling negative racial vibes or undertones. that to me is equality in a nutshell.
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