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    Elway (the Broncos GM) is one who made the...

    Elway (the Broncos GM) is one who made the statement that Flacco is "coming into his prime", not me. A QB coming into his prime is worth far more than a 4th round pick, as I demonstrated with the...
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    Ah ha, so you're saying the Cutler comparison is...

    Ah ha, so you're saying the Cutler comparison is poor because Flacco is not in his prime! That's exactly the point I made - a QB in his prime is worth much more than a late 4th round pick.

    BMore...
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    This training camp and pre-season will make...

    This training camp and pre-season will make things interesting if Lock looks good. Remember the infatuation with Chad Kelly last year? Lock is way better than him. If Flacco struggles early in the...
  4. Hindsight is 20/20, but man Ngata over Cutler...

    Hindsight is 20/20, but man Ngata over Cutler would have been better for the team at the time. Ngata is a possible HOFer, and Cutler was a starter for Denver for 2.5 non-playoff appearance years...
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    Yes, I was thinking the exact same thing. Flacco...

    Yes, I was thinking the exact same thing. Flacco may actually have a hard being as good as Keenum was last year. Keenum outperformed Flacco in 2018 based on AV (which I showed in a previous post in...
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    I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but Joe...

    I hate to rain on everyone's parade, but Joe Flacco is an average at best QB. Below are his career AV numbers. AV is a metric developed by Pro Football Reference which assigns a value number to a...
  7. Yea Clady was good that year, it was pretty...

    Yea Clady was good that year, it was pretty amazing. One guy I think we're forgetting for an all time Broncos great is Garret Bo...uh, nevermind.
  8. Top 10 seasons for defensive players by AV: 1....

    Top 10 seasons for defensive players by AV:

    1. 1989 Karl Mecklenburg (20)
    2. 1997 Darrien Gordon (17)*
    2. 2012 Von Miller (17)
    2. 2015 Von Miller (17)
    2. 2016 Von Miller (17)
    2. 1997 John...
  9. All time top 10 seasons by a Broncos Offensive...

    All time top 10 seasons by a Broncos Offensive Lineman by AV:

    1. 2013 Louis Vasquez (20)
    2. 2000 Tom Nalen (18)
    3. 2003 Tom Nalen (17)
    4. 2012 Ryan Clady (16)
    5. 1993 Gary Zimmerman (14)
    5....
  10. All time Broncos WR/TE seasons ranked by AV: ...

    All time Broncos WR/TE seasons ranked by AV:

    1. 1998 Rod Smith (17)
    1. 2000 Rod Smith (17)
    3. 2014 Demaryius Thomas (16)
    4. 2001 Rod Smith (15)
    4. 1997 Rod Smith (15)
    6. 1998 Ed McCaffrey...
  11. What's weird is 2005 Plummer = 2008 Cutler. We...

    What's weird is 2005 Plummer = 2008 Cutler. We actually didn't gain any value with Cutler at his peak in 2008 vs Plummer at his peak in 2005. I suppose we prolonged good QB play, because 2008...
  12. OK you asked for it (well not really, but I want...

    OK you asked for it (well not really, but I want to continue to nerd out on this best of all time list thread) here is the top 10 all-time seasons for Broncos RBs ranked by AV:

    1. 1974 Otis...
  13. This list is the top 10 single seasons for a QB...

    This list is the top 10 single seasons for a QB in Broncos history by AV:

    1. 2013 Peyton Manning (19)*
    2. 1997 John Elway (18)
    3. 1993 John Elway (17)
    4. 2014 Peyton Manning (16)
    5. 2008 Jay...
  14. I forgot to mention that 1989 Karl Mecklenburg...

    I forgot to mention that 1989 Karl Mecklenburg was an absolute beast...
  15. Yea that was surprising. It was also surprising...

    Yea that was surprising. It was also surprising to see 1974 Otis Anderson tied with 1998 Terrell Davis for #1. And 2013 Louis Vasquez was more valuable than 2013 Peyton Manning! But, they came up...
  16. Here's a list of the top 10 Broncos of all time...

    Here's a list of the top 10 Broncos of all time based on Pro Bowl Selections as a Bronco.

    1. John Elway (9)
    2. Steve Atwater (8)
    2. Champ Bailey (8)
    4. Randy Gradishar (7)
    4. Von Miller (7)...
  17. Absolutely longevity matters when you're talking...

    Absolutely longevity matters when you're talking about all time Broncos.

    However, I thought it might be fun to see who had the most valuable single seasons in Broncos history. Here's the list:
    ...
  18. These lists always seem to be subjective. What...

    These lists always seem to be subjective. What if there was a way to objectively put together a top 10?

    Pro Football Reference has a metric called Approximate Value (AV). This metric judges a...
  19. Ridiculous that Peyton Manning is #5 and Von...

    Ridiculous that Peyton Manning is #5 and Von Miller is #10, no Simon Fletcher??? Peyton Manning belongs behind only John Elway in Broncos history. Manning was a better QB in his career than Elway...
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    Nick Ferguson predicted the Broncos would go 12-4...

    Nick Ferguson predicted the Broncos would go 12-4 in 2019. Is the Fangio-Flacco partnership worth 6 wins? Flacco is an average QB throughout his career. Can he all of a sudden become that great? ...
  21. Elway is killin' it. Based on the trades Denver...

    Elway is killin' it. Based on the trades Denver has made this draft, it seems that at least some NFL teams still use the Jimmy Johnson draft value chart. Here's the Jimmy Johnson draft pick values...
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    Here's what a Mizzou fan said about him at...

    Here's what a Mizzou fan said about him at Profootballtalk:



    https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2019/04/26/broncos-stop-drew-locks-slide/
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    Yes!!!! We got a guy that was consistently mocked...

    Yes!!!! We got a guy that was consistently mocked to us at #10 in the 2nd round after we traded back. That's awesome.
  24. Yea, a lot would depend on how teams value a...

    Yea, a lot would depend on how teams value a future draft pick. I'm not really sure that it is worth less now. I mean it's not going to be worth less when you use it. It's not like inflation when...
  25. If anyone's wondering, here's our trade with the...

    If anyone's wondering, here's our trade with the Steelers on the Jimmy Johnson draft chart:

    Denver

    Pick 20 - 850
    Pick 52 - 380
    2020 3rd rounder - I'll take the average of the 3rd round values...
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