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    OK, I surrender, the entire Oline for the Lions...

    OK, I surrender, the entire Oline for the Lions should have made the pro-bowl. Our entire Dline would have made the probowl without that idiot Bates.
    I know when I'm beaten. I'm out.
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    and a crappy line led to his QB getting sacked 50...

    and a crappy line led to his QB getting sacked 50 freakin' times!!! Bill Walsh's game plans looked pretty stupid when Montana got sacked alot, as well. I'm not too sure why the most important part...
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    Bates left both the Pack and the Phins because of...

    Bates left both the Pack and the Phins because of head coaching changes.

    But you could also apply the same EXACT situation to Bates as you could to Mike Martz, literally in the same week. Did...
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    Couldn't we at least have given him some guys...

    Couldn't we at least have given him some guys that don't get blown off the line by darn near everyone we faced? We had to lead the league in having the "most blocked" dline. I give the rookies, and...
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    I don't know what the problem is here... we got...

    I don't know what the problem is here... we got rid of the reason that this defense sucked this season... now we don't have to draft anyone for defense ever again. The problem was coaching all...
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    You're right... a poor dline causes him to miss...

    You're right... a poor dline causes him to miss tackles and over-run plays. You need to give up on trying to convince us... Shanny was exactly who he was talking about when he said we need to find...
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    Well, exactly...We don't CARE how fast he gets...

    Well, exactly...We don't CARE how fast he gets there, just whether he makes the tackle. If he misses, what good did all the speed do for us?
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    Sorry, but he's more of a liability than I care...

    Sorry, but he's more of a liability than I care to have at such a critical position. Winborn seemed better in the few games he played.
    Gold misses far too many tackles, can't cover, and over-runs...
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    Don't really want Lelie back... his final...

    Don't really want Lelie back... his final actions in Denver didn't show any competitive fire. The other deal would be that JW is worth more than that, so I say we fish in another pond, IF Javon...
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    Well, seemed like Shanny wanted to try another...

    Well, seemed like Shanny wanted to try another Mike Anderson thing with Bell. Try him at FB since we were pretty well full at TB. But we do agree about KJ.

    And, didn't Bell fumble everytime he...
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    You're right... we tried having just one proven...

    You're right... we tried having just one proven WR when Rod stood alone for a few years after Eddie Mac hit the silk. We need someone as good as BMarsh on the other side, so that Stokes can split...
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    It's not about anything crazy Shanny did... Bell...

    It's not about anything crazy Shanny did... Bell fumbled his way off the team. Sapp looked better when he was in at FB. Bell never CONSISTENTLY looked as good at tailback as Young has. Or Hall.
  13. I think that Moss, Crowder, and Thomas are going...

    I think that Moss, Crowder, and Thomas are going to be ok, in fact, pretty good. Dumervil is already knocking on the Pro-Bowl door... That's 4 decent picks in 2 years. I think there is a chance we...
  14. Well, I don't think Bates would mind keeping...

    Well, I don't think Bates would mind keeping Champ, DJ, Moss, Thomas, Abdullah, Bly, Elvis, Ekuban (??), Crowder... We need to take care of DT and OLB, IMO. A safety is in our future as well.
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    It's been mentioned numerous times before... right now, the crew we have couldn't be effective with ANY scheme.

    3-4 ... no way
    cover 2 ... not a chance
    46 .... give it a rest

    ANY coach...
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    Green Bay is running a Bates-style defense. ...

    Green Bay is running a Bates-style defense. Would you go for a trade for pretty much ANY of the personnel on the front 7 that they have running it compared to ours? Especially thinking of OLB and...
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    Absolutely... Webs is exactly who I was thinking...

    Absolutely... Webs is exactly who I was thinking of when I posted about over-running plays.
    Regarding the part about the FO stumbling across the message boards... LOL
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    Actually, the Ravens got Billick from the Vikings...

    Actually, the Ravens got Billick from the Vikings after Minn had led the league in scoring with him as OC. Ozzie Newsome and Marvin Lewis have to get credit for the D that everyone thinks that...
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    Actually, just Shanny and Bowlen. And I would be...

    Actually, just Shanny and Bowlen. And I would be SORELY disappointed in them if they got rid of Bates to scapegoat the fact that right now, we do not have the players to run ANY scheme. (assist to...
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    Or, it could be that our personnel have gotten...

    Or, it could be that our personnel have gotten worse year over year... Last year, Gold had a decent year, Wilson did until he got hurt. I think, with the exception of Elvis, our dline was better...
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    Champ just isn't good enough to cover a receiver...

    Champ just isn't good enough to cover a receiver for more than a few minutes.
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    Don't claim to know what is going through JWalk's...

    Don't claim to know what is going through JWalk's head, but IF he thinks he DESERVES to be the #1 WR instead of EARNING it... I would love to see Javon play his way back into a large role in this...
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    Yeah, that was the problem. Adams definitely had...

    Yeah, that was the problem. Adams definitely had the fat part down, but nothing else. We need to get a Stroud, Henderson, Haynesworth type here, and Thomas needs to bulk up to fit the bill.
    If you...
  24. Maybe I missed how much impact we have on the...

    Maybe I missed how much impact we have on the team's decisions... Guess I thought that EVERYTHING about these boards was "IF" games. Silly me. :coffee:

    On MULTIPLE other threads, you hear about...
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    I agree with your agreement...:confused: (I'm...

    I agree with your agreement...:confused: (I'm caught in a loop...) :D

    But I think the priority has to be making improvements from front to back... Dline, then LB's, then DB's. Foxy's comments...
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