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  1. Thread: 2018 O-Line

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    One way to look at going WR-RB in Rounds 2-3 is...

    One way to look at going WR-RB in Rounds 2-3 is as an indirect way of improving the Oline, after the run on offensive linemen left Elway with few options to fix it directly. If the QB has a RB with...
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    Sounds like a great opportunity to trade down a...

    Sounds like a great opportunity to trade down a few spots in the draft so someone who wants to overdraft RBs can pay through the nose for this player, and we can be on the other side of the next...
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    Wilson was the 6th quarterback selected in his...

    Wilson was the 6th quarterback selected in his year (2012), and Tom Brady was the 7th (2000):

    http://www.nfl.com/draft/history/fulldraft?type=position

    When you see the guys he's drafted, they...
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    The NFL gives his height as 5'11": ...

    The NFL gives his height as 5'11":

    http://www.nfl.com/player/russellwilson/2532975/profile

    Nothing official on your height or marital status though.
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    Why was it a mistake? Nothing you've said is at...

    Why was it a mistake? Nothing you've said is at all germane to the problem. It's still a mistake to not look both ways before crossing the street even if you get to the other side without getting...
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    It was 18 picks later, and Wilson was a VERY...

    It was 18 picks later, and Wilson was a VERY SHORT (5'11") running QB who didn't fit the Manning pocket passing system (where you have to see over your linemen), similarly to another running...
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    So what brainy-but-not-athletic quarterbacks was...

    So what brainy-but-not-athletic quarterbacks was Elway supposed to draft instead of those two guys? Jared Goff and Carson Wentz were already off the board at #1 and #2 overall. In Osweiler's year,...
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    You trade up because, as I said already, WE WERE...

    You trade up because, as I said already, WE WERE DESPERATE FOR A QUARTERBACK, and that third rounder won't help much if you can't fix it. We had nothing in the cupboard when Manning and Osweiler left...
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    How it happens is that the other 9 were picked...

    How it happens is that the other 9 were picked out of desperation at a level in the draft where there are usually no franchise quarterbacks to be found. Brock Osweiler was picked when we had a Peyton...
  10. Luck was drafted #1 overall, not #57. And he...

    Luck was drafted #1 overall, not #57. And he wasn't a starter eventually, he was a starter on his first day.
  11. No, Russell Wilson would have been a terrible...

    No, Russell Wilson would have been a terrible pick as a backup to Manning, and all 32 GMs in the league agreed with that assessment. He was running a very different system in Seattle that was...
  12. Yes, you *hope* he becomes a franchise...

    Yes, you *hope* he becomes a franchise quarterback. Operative word being hope. Ten percent of the time that happens, going by the last ten years of drafting. Not often, but sometimes. But hoping it...
  13. Drafting a QB at pick 57 is low, not high, as the...

    Drafting a QB at pick 57 is low, not high, as the analysis in my prior post showed in some detail. Go find the last quarterback drafted in the bottom of the second round who went on to become a...
  14. He wasn't cut after four years, he left in free...

    He wasn't cut after four years, he left in free agency after another team paid him a boatload, so I'm not sure what quarterback you're talking about. More generally, you're just not engaging on what...
  15. Elway didn't miss at all. Osweiler was an...

    Elway didn't miss at all. Osweiler was an excellent pick. Elway was picking a backup quarterback, nothing more, and Osweiler delivered on that job during the Super Bowl run, going 5-2 in relief of...
  16. Am really sick of hearing about our "missing" on...

    Am really sick of hearing about our "missing" on Russell Wilson. Wilson would have had to back up Peyton Manning, and a system that works for Wilson is totally different than the one that works for...
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    I agree with this except in one respect: it may...

    I agree with this except in one respect: it may be that Manning disguised the Oline's deficiencies to such a degree because of his very fast release that it prevented the front office from addressing...
  18. No, Elway's apparent failures have much more to...

    No, Elway's apparent failures have much more to do with the bad draft position he had to work with. It's highly atypical for a quarterback drafted as low as Lynch and Osweiler were to become more...
  19. I am sick of hearing about Russell Wilson and Dak...

    I am sick of hearing about Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott. Of course Elway shouldn't have drafted either of them. Russell Wilson simply did not fit the system. He is too short to see over his...
  20. No, those quarterbacks are performing like what...

    No, those quarterbacks are performing like what one would expect of QBs drafted where they were drafted. It is very hard to get a franchise QB drafting below about 15-20 in the first round.
  21. Such a pity we're stuck with Elway and can't get...

    Such a pity we're stuck with Elway and can't get a real GM like Jerry Jones who can position the team for long-term success the way the Cowboys are, so we have to suffer through these 42-17...
  22. No, those are not high picks for QBs. It is very...

    No, those are not high picks for QBs. It is very hard to find a franchise quarterback below the top of the first round. Brock Osweiler has actually outperformed his expected value given where he was...
  23. Oz was drafted near the bottom of the second...

    Oz was drafted near the bottom of the second round, AS INSURANCE if Peyton Manning's nerve damage didn't heal sufficiently, where Elway paid only $3.5 million for him over four years. As a backup...
  24. Thread: Sloter

    by CasualFan
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    No, not impossible, just somewhat improbable,...

    No, not impossible, just somewhat improbable, given that the list of people in similar draft positions who didn't make it is a mile long. Denver tried to sign Sloter to the practice squad, which they...
  25. Thread: Sloter

    by CasualFan
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    Yes, Sloter showed some potential. Enough so that...

    Yes, Sloter showed some potential. Enough so that Denver tried to sign him to their practice squad, along with one other NFL team, though not enough ability to play in the regular season right now...
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