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If Darren McFadden has a disappointing year...?
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Originally posted by TXBRONC View PostThat's what lex was saying Dream, and it that case I think he is right, its means he wouldn't rush for a 1,000 yards.
End of story.
There's a lot more to account for than him just not getting 1,000 yards. Such as the factors why he didn't achieve that, etc. He's going to blow minds at the combine anyways, and we all know how the combine can help terrible players sky rocket. However, McFadden isn't a terrible player, and he's going to perform well.
No worries. It's not going to happen.
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Originally posted by Dream View PostIt's not even a worthwhile question worth asking since it's not going to happen anyways. All teams are going to stack the box with McFadden and Jones there, so I'd expect their running game to struggle. Even if McFadden ran for 900 yards, (which he will beat, big time) he'd still go that high because of his talent. It's a pipe dream question to say the least, and the Broncos have absolutely no shot in getting McFadden.
End of story.
There's a lot more to account for than him just not getting 1,000 yards. Such as the factors why he didn't achieve that, etc. He's going to blow minds at the combine anyways, and we all know how the combine can help terrible players sky rocket. However, McFadden isn't a terrible player, and he's going to perform well.
No worries. It's not going to happen.
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Originally posted by lex View PostOK, youre in love with McFadden. We get it. No one is saying he isnt uber talented. But McFadden plays in the SEC and there are question marks at QB for Ark. Plus McFadden will get greater attention this year. Its not out of the question that he may struggle. And that could open the door for someone else to impress NFL teams.
I'm well aware of what's happening at the Arkansas program, and believe me - the questions surrounding the situation there would lead for McFadden and Jones to see even more touches.
He's not going to struggle enough for him to drop.
Case closed.
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Originally posted by Dream View PostActually, it's not the case at all. I know a superb prospect when I see one, and McFadden just happens to be one.
I'm well aware of what's happening at the Arkansas program, and believe me - the questions surrounding the situation there would lead for McFadden and Jones to see even more touches.
He's not going to struggle enough for him to drop.
Case closed.
Bleh. Stop acting like youre the only one who thinks he's a talent. The fact that I was asking about him is indication that youre not the only one who thinks highly of him. No one disputes that he's talented. But the question hinges on perception if things dont go as well this year. Different GMs like guys for different reasons. The perception migh change if McFadden doesnt do well and he is supplanted by, say, Slaton and someone else.
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Originally posted by lex View PostBleh. Stop acting like youre the only one who thinks he's a talent. The fact that I was asking about him is indication that youre not the only one who thinks highly of him. No one disputes that he's talented. But the question hinges on perception if things dont go as well this year. Different GMs like guys for different reasons. The perception migh change if McFadden doesnt do well and he is supplanted by, say, Slaton and someone else.
Regardless of what Dream says if McFadden had a bad season he could significantly.John 11: 25-27
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Originally posted by Dream View PostI cannot think of any possible situation, regarding a catastrophic injury where McFadden is not a top three selection.The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt
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Originally posted by Dream View PostActually, it's not the case at all. I know a superb prospect when I see one, and McFadden just happens to be one.
I'm well aware of what's happening at the Arkansas program, and believe me - the questions surrounding the situation there would lead for McFadden and Jones to see even more touches.
He's not going to struggle enough for him to drop.
Case closed.
Will McFadden have a better or worse year? Hard to say, but it's hard to imagine seeing him drop beyond the first handful of picks.The human body has two ends on it: one to create with and one to sit on. Sometimes people get their ends reversed. When this happens they need a kick in the seat of the pants. --- Theodore Roosevelt
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Even if McFadden is on the board when we are picking next year, I don't think it would make any sense to draft him. I don't buy into the "best guy on the board" draft strategy. I think you should fill a need, ESPECIALLY in the first round. We can make pretty much any RB good and I don't think we should waste a first round pick on it, especially if we are trying to win now.Last edited by BaileyTheBest; 08-24-2007, 03:27 PM.
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Originally posted by lex View PostBleh. Stop acting like youre the only one who thinks he's a talent. The fact that I was asking about him is indication that youre not the only one who thinks highly of him. No one disputes that he's talented. But the question hinges on perception if things dont go as well this year. Different GMs like guys for different reasons. The perception migh change if McFadden doesnt do well and he is supplanted by, say, Slaton and someone else.
Also, the GM thing really doesn't cut it. Slaton is a great prospect, but teams will want a guy with the size and ability to carry the rock 30 times a game. McFadden gives you that, and catching ability. Slaton more or less, doesn't. He could give you 30 touches a game easy, but McFadden hands down is the better all-around player. I'd almost guarantee when they come out, if they both do - McFadden's grade on draft boards will be higher on almost every count compared to Slaton's.
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Originally posted by TXBRONC View PostRegardless of what Dream says if McFadden had a bad season he could significantly.
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Originally posted by tnedator View PostWas he on the cover of SI nation wide or was that a regional thing, because I am in Arkansas he would be on the cover if they did it regionally.
Originally posted by tnedator View PostI think you are right about more touches, not less. The OC that was going to open things up, is gone. His QB (Mustain) that was supposed to be used in the wide open, shotgun heavy offense, is also gone. At this point, Ark will likey retain it's run first, run second, and then run again attitute for a while longer and McFadden and Jones will be workhorses.
Will McFadden have a better or worse year? Hard to say, but it's hard to imagine seeing him drop beyond the first handful of picks.
Fact is, and it is indeed a fact, McFadden is a top five prospect in this draft, even without declaring. Where the teams finish don't even matter this year. Minnesota is a fine example of a top ten selection team, who had an above-average running game and didn't really need a running back, but took one because the value was so excellent.
When scouts evaluate McFadden's tape this year, they'll still rave about the kid. . . even if he barely breaks 1,000 yards. The people who know the game will understand (why perhaps) the dip in production and it most certainly wouldn't be because the guy lacks talent.
This isn't even a debate worth arguing over any longer (I agree with you, I'm just stating my case again.) because unless McFadden is seriously hurt, he's going to do well and go as high as everyone is saying.
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Originally posted by Dream View PostI'm not acting like that, I'm just stating the facts. Just because I'm right, (which I am) doesn't mean that I think I'm the only person who thinks McFadden is a superb talent. Most people do, and those who do realize that know that unless he loses an arm, leg or another limb, he's going on the top handful of picks. Count it.
Also, the GM thing really doesn't cut it. Slaton is a great prospect, but teams will want a guy with the size and ability to carry the rock 30 times a game. McFadden gives you that, and catching ability. Slaton more or less, doesn't. He could give you 30 touches a game easy, but McFadden hands down is the better all-around player. I'd almost guarantee when they come out, if they both do - McFadden's grade on draft boards will be higher on almost every count compared to Slaton's.Originally posted by Dream View PostIf you two would actually stop beating around the bush and define "bad season" - maybe your argument would hold some water. It's really too bad the buckets each of you are holding have holes in the bottom.
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Originally posted by lex View PostStop with the petulance already. Youre acting like a small child who says theyre right "because I said so" or "because I called it." Grow up.
There's no way, besides serious injury (Broken leg, ACL tear) - that McFadden is slipping down past the first handful of picks. Adrian Peterson, even with injuries, still went top ten, and I'd consider McFadden to have just as much potential.
Instead of debating me (like you both have) - debate the issue. Refute what I said, and if you can do that, maybe the arguments would be logical. When it comes to the NFL Draft, the elite prospects, even if they "disappoint" (which you still haven't defined, which would be central to your argument) they don't slip out of the first ten selections.
The franchise players, like McFadden - go high. There's a difference between a regular first-round player, say a Jarvis Moss - and a Gaines Adams. A huge difference. Considering this is a relatively weak running back class pending the junior entrants, teams in need of a running back are going to try and get the cream of the crop as early as possible.
So where I might argue the "hypothetical" injury part, I'm also backing up why McFadden won't fall based on the talent of this class, needs - and the truth about franchise players.
What's your argument? Well, actually it was just a question.
"If he disappointed at Arkansas, do you think he could slip?"
Anything is possible, but it's extremely unlikely in the case of McFadden considering his talent level, the comparative talent in this class, his franchise elements and the fact that teams will be needing a running back.
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1) Hes a top 5 pick and is projected by many to be one of the first 3 picks
2) You guys have Henry so why do you need another back.
3) Even if you did get the pick Denver would probably take a defense player
4) Even if he has a bad season, baring injury he will still go in the top 5
5) There is no 5 i just want it to sound like i have more reasons.(\__/)
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