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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    We've had massive roster turnover, we've had scheme changes, and we've gotten considerably younger.

    Here is where I see improvement:

    1) Obviously, McD's scheme is amazing. It works. We know we will have an elite passing offense as long as he is here.
    First off, I think we have to give credit where credit is due. Lloyd has played like a man possessed. It would be a pretty savvy move to put him on the trading block once the season is done, because I think he will come down to earth at some point. I think the passing game has been more about what he and Orton have done this season, and less about McDaniels' scheme. This scheme has produced lots of yards and lots of stalled drives. It has not been amazing.

    2) Following #1, our QB and WRs are playing amongst the league's best. We are deep at both positions as well. Obviously, massive improvement here.

    3) McD overhauled a terrible secondary two seasons ago, and has a deep and talented blend of vets and youth giving us one of the league's better secondaries. Cox, Thompson, and McBath look like good pieces for the future, possibly Bruton as well. Our secondary is improved upon last year for sure.
    Thompson is really the only guy in my mind who has shown anything in the secondary. Otherwise, our pass defense has been dreadful. Especially on 3rd downs. Stopping opposing offenses on 1st and 2nd, only to give up TDs on 3rd and long is not what I would expect from an improved secondary.

    4) We've developed two superb OLBs in the 34 with Dumervil and Ayers, as well as developed two superb ILBs in the 34 with Williams and Haggan. Also, snagging Hunter off the scrap heap looks like a shrewd move. We're just a few depth pieces away from having an elite LB corps. Ayers' improvement this year has been remarkable, and Haggan inside, has been arguably the best TED LB in the NFL. He's been forced into nickel duties with Woodyard's injury and has held up amazingly well. He's a complete LB. This is largely development based, but we have been light years better at LB this season then last, outside of Dumervil's rush abilities.
    Our LBs as a whole look the same as last year IMO. Haggan is a hammer vs. the run, but can't rush the passer anywhere near as well as Davis could. Ayers and DJ are good. With Elvis, we're a solid all-around corps. But I'm just not seeing this massive improvement. Our LBs last season were the reason we were ranked in the top 10 as a defense.

    5) We had the NFL's absolute worst 34 D-line last season, it was laughably bad. Completely re-tooled in one off-season, we look decent now. Developing youth is certainly a need, but the line was massively improved.

    6) So, to me, every single area on our defense has had extensive improvement since last year, and our defense is much better than anything Shanahan fielded in the post-superbowl years.
    Yet our defense is in the league cellar in sacks and points against. Far below average in INTs. Again, if they were so improved, I'd think the stats would support it. With an improved secondary, LB corps and DL, we should be ranked somewhere near the top 10 in at least one of these categories, even without Doom.

    7) Prater and Colquitt have developed into excellent specialists.

    8) We've re-tooled our O-line with bigger, stronger guys. Yes, it's rough now as the rookies get their feet wet, but I see tougher play against power defenses on the horizon, long a weak spot of ours. Walton and Beadles are pieces for the future.
    I really hope you're right, but I don't think this is based on anything empirical. Walton has been a massive disappointment so far. Bad snap exchanges, blown assignments, and disorganized line play. This all falls on the center, and I'm still waiting for him to actually have a good game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    We've had massive roster turnover, we've had scheme changes, and we've gotten considerably younger.

    Here is where I see improvement:

    1) Obviously, McD's scheme is amazing. It works. We know we will have an elite passing offense as long as he is here.

    2) Following #1, our QB and WRs are playing amongst the league's best. We are deep at both positions as well. Obviously, massive improvement here.

    3) McD overhauled a terrible secondary two seasons ago, and has a deep and talented blend of vets and youth giving us one of the league's better secondaries. Cox, Thompson, and McBath look like good pieces for the future, possibly Bruton as well. Our secondary is improved upon last year for sure.

    4) We've developed two superb OLBs in the 34 with Dumervil and Ayers, as well as developed two superb ILBs in the 34 with Williams and Haggan. Also, snagging Hunter off the scrap heap looks like a shrewd move. We're just a few depth pieces away from having an elite LB corps. Ayers' improvement this year has been remarkable, and Haggan inside, has been arguably the best TED LB in the NFL. He's been forced into nickel duties with Woodyard's injury and has held up amazingly well. He's a complete LB. This is largely development based, but we have been light years better at LB this season then last, outside of Dumervil's rush abilities.

    5) We had the NFL's absolute worst 34 D-line last season, it was laughably bad. Completely re-tooled in one off-season, we look decent now. Developing youth is certainly a need, but the line was massively improved.

    6) So, to me, every single area on our defense has had extensive improvement since last year, and our defense is much better than anything Shanahan fielded in the post-superbowl years.

    7) Prater and Colquitt have developed into excellent specialists.

    8) We've re-tooled our O-line with bigger, stronger guys. Yes, it's rough now as the rookies get their feet wet, but I see tougher play against power defenses on the horizon, long a weak spot of ours. Walton and Beadles are pieces for the future.



    Really, the only places I haven't seen improvement so far is our running game, our run blocking, Tight End, penalties, and our return game. I think we need one more offseason (stud TE, LG, and Return Guy) and the rest should improve with time over the course of this season. I see a deep playoff team entering the season next year.
    I must be getting pretty good at this, because I see it exactly the way you do!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Mat'hir Uth Gan View Post
    We've had massive roster turnover, we've had scheme changes, and we've gotten considerably younger.

    Here is where I see improvement:

    1) Obviously, McD's scheme is amazing. It works. We know we will have an elite passing offense as long as he is here.

    2) Following #1, our QB and WRs are playing amongst the league's best. We are deep at both positions as well. Obviously, massive improvement here.

    3) McD overhauled a terrible secondary two seasons ago, and has a deep and talented blend of vets and youth giving us one of the league's better secondaries. Cox, Thompson, and McBath look like good pieces for the future, possibly Bruton as well. Our secondary is improved upon last year for sure.

    4) We've developed two superb OLBs in the 34 with Dumervil and Ayers, as well as developed two superb ILBs in the 34 with Williams and Haggan. Also, snagging Hunter off the scrap heap looks like a shrewd move. We're just a few depth pieces away from having an elite LB corps. Ayers' improvement this year has been remarkable, and Haggan inside, has been arguably the best TED LB in the NFL. He's been forced into nickel duties with Woodyard's injury and has held up amazingly well. He's a complete LB. This is largely development based, but we have been light years better at LB this season then last, outside of Dumervil's rush abilities.

    5) We had the NFL's absolute worst 34 D-line last season, it was laughably bad. Completely re-tooled in one off-season, we look decent now. Developing youth is certainly a need, but the line was massively improved.

    6) So, to me, every single area on our defense has had extensive improvement since last year, and our defense is much better than anything Shanahan fielded in the post-superbowl years.

    7) Prater and Colquitt have developed into excellent specialists.

    8) We've re-tooled our O-line with bigger, stronger guys. Yes, it's rough now as the rookies get their feet wet, but I see tougher play against power defenses on the horizon, long a weak spot of ours. Walton and Beadles are pieces for the future.



    Really, the only places I haven't seen improvement so far is our running game, our run blocking, Tight End, penalties, and our return game. I think we need one more offseason (stud TE, LG, and Return Guy) and the rest should improve with time over the course of this season. I see a deep playoff team entering the season next year.
    I definitely see what you're seeing. My one poke here would be concerning the FS/SS reality. Mcbath is a ballhawk, but is proving to be too injury-prone to be depedning on being the the FS of the future. Bruton might be the answer at SS but he's not a lock to be a special player.

    I'm really concerned about this fact.

    Hill is just not doing it for me. Now that Dawkins is out (and Mcbath) we're being exposed back there. I think we might have to do something about this next offseason.

    As for the DL.... Thomas is emerging as a real rotation player; Vickerson appears to be another gem of a find. This is excellent. 2 young DL players! Phew!

    I do think Hunter was a shrewd move. Ayers-Doom-DJ-Haggan, with Hunter is good for the future.

    1 LB, a safety, and a NT and another DE and I think are defense is set.

    Thompson makes plays, and should get a shot to return kicks. He's elsuive.

    Cox can play.

    Now we just need a TE and that OL needs some tweeking.

    Other than that all is good.

    Still, 4-12 in 16 games is not what most people want or expect.

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    I know that 4-12 is not what people want or expect, but most would certainly agree, this team was terrible last year. I think that this team is taking strides in the right direction and is getting closer to a legitimate team that can win big games.

    I never expected this Broncos team to win 9-10 games, but the improvements that I am seeing give me hope for the future of this franchise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmcgough25 View Post
    I know that 4-12 is not what people want or expect, but most would certainly agree, this team was terrible last year. I think that this team is taking strides in the right direction and is getting closer to a legitimate team that can win big games.

    I never expected this Broncos team to win 9-10 games, but the improvements that I am seeing give me hope for the future of this franchise.
    I agree.
    After all, what do I know.... or Joe Schmo, right?

    Rex Ryan praised Mcdaniels yesterday. He was in awe how intelligent (prepared) Orton was. Say he constantly tried to confuse KO with different looks (see NFL.com - DEN-JETS higlights - Jets post game presser) and KO was aware every step of the way.

    We totally fooled the Jets on defense with a 2nd string unit. We realized how successful MIA was with their wildcat formation against the Jets, so we saved it (Tebow) and it worked.

    KISLA wrote today: "During his young career with the Broncos, McDaniels has never coached with more guts and brains than in this loss. He resurrected his team's rushing attack from the grave and found a way to make first-round draft choice Tim Tebow more than a marketing gimmick.

    McDaniels might fail, but he won't back down.

    Know what should linger when the sting subsides?

    After watching his players go meekly in defeat against Baltimore, McDaniels challenged the manhood of the Broncos. Rather than bail on their young, feisty coach, they stood up and slugged it out with New York, despite the absence of injured Denver safety Brian Dawkins and linebacker Robert Ayers."

    Players like Dawkins tell us how intelligent-dedicated Mcdaniels is. We've seen his staff coach up players, ressurect other players, and find talent in free agency and the draft.

    It's so obvious Mcd is building something here in DEN. Of course, if we are to be true SB contenders.... then we're going to need that OL and Tebow to become the players we hope they'll become. Clady-Walton-Beadles-Kuper (plus 1 more) and Tebow.

    We have the WRs. We need a TE and a RB.

    On defense NT, DE, LB & S.

    BUt we see.... despite some placalling issues, clock management and overall inexperience.... that this team is prepared most weeks, have a solid game plan designed.... It's just a matter of execution now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    I'm just getting over the loss. It's been tough enough to win lately, and losing one like that takes even longer to accept. So this is not about someone who thinks losing is okay.....

    In fact this was a game that we should have won. I am miffed for sure, but we did enough to win, and were one penalty call away (yes, it was legit, but Hill deserved a better fate). But I am seeing some good patterns:

    1) Our D seems to be coming around, even without Doom, Ayers, Dawk, Goodman and more. We held Sanchez under 200 yards passing, including 2 pics. We kept their run game down for the mostpart. Remember this rushing offense is supposed to be good. And I am not sure how much 4/3 we employed, but it is a viable option now.
    2) I like what we did with Tebow...we're adding some dimensions to our O. It helped with the run game for sure. In order to make it better, Tebow has to throw a few passes. Then, watch out!
    3) On that note, we actually ran the ball okay today, except for some of those unexplainable lapses, with big losses. We still need some fixing up here.
    4) I really do like our rookies! Cox is going to be a top quality player. Thompson looks hungry....loved the pic (again, 5th and 7th rounders!!!). DT looks scary! I just wish we had one more play into the endzone, because I could see him going up over Revis and coming down with the ball. Hey, Beadles and Walton are grinding it out, and that snap was unfortunate. Next year they'll be solid!
    5) Orton was okay today, and this against a very tough D, even if his stats weren't stellar by any means. No interceptions. Some really crisp passes. Not his best day for sure, but with Kyle and Tebow, we got a future.
    6) Prater can kick a 65 yarder in this stadium.....one day it will happen.
    7) The fans were outstanding!!! This part of our game must continue!!!

    I could go on about the things that didn't go so well, mainly not capitalizing on the early play.......but for me, this could have been a win, and in spite of some key injuries, we're growing. Hey....I'm still getting over it, but it wasn't bad...

    I felt better about this loss than I felt about the Titans "win". I felt our guys showed toughness and effort. That wasn't our best effort (too many mistakes), but we showed we can beat one of the best teams in the league without our best effort.

    If Renaldo Hill doesn't panic, I think we win that game. Or if Prater nails that 49 yarder or Moreno doesn't fumble, then we probably still win that game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crazy8 View Post
    I felt better about this loss than I felt about the Titans "win". I felt our guys showed toughness and effort. That wasn't our best effort (too many mistakes), but we showed we can beat one of the best teams in the league without our best effort.

    If Renaldo Hill doesn't panic, I think we win that game. Or if Prater nails that 49 yarder or Moreno doesn't fumble, then we probably still win that game.
    When I was looking ahead to this game, I had us at 9 and 7 with a win, maybe even 10 and 6.......if we lost, I felt that 8 and 8 was the likely outcome, depending how we lost. In fact, a bad loss and 8 and 8 was the best I would offer. On the other hand, we played good enough to win, showed some new exciting plays, added some 4/3, and made me feel more confident about our future. Therefore I still see a 9 and 7 possiblity.......hopefully we can go on a streak, and position ourselves to keep in the AFC West race. Wildcard is out.

    But back to your post......IFS don't get it done. So, no matter how you slice it, we lost the game. All the IFS do is make you hang on a little longer......lets just move on. We'll be fine.

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    Great thread

    This thread has to be the best one posted in a long time. That is other than the fargo fan club thread, started by Fargo.

    Now we are in a real debate here. I for one was unhappy with the loss but I did see that we deserved that game. We fought a team that has been on fire and putting other teams away. Really we were one finger stuck in a helmet cage away from a win.

    Obviously we cannot call this week a success but we sure can build on in it and look at our upcoming games. I think we might even be able to go on a little win streak over the next few games.

    there was intensity, there was a decent game plan (ya I think Tebow should have bombed one in the 4th, there were not ready for that). Our backups to our backups stepped up and played.

    Go Broncos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    I'm just getting over the loss. It's been tough enough to win lately, and losing one like that takes even longer to accept. So this is not about someone who thinks losing is okay.....

    In fact this was a game that we should have won. I am miffed for sure, but we did enough to win, and were one penalty call away (yes, it was legit, but Hill deserved a better fate). But I am seeing some good patterns:

    1) Our D seems to be coming around, even without Doom, Ayers, Dawk, Goodman and more. We held Sanchez under 200 yards passing, including 2 pics. We kept their run game down for the mostpart. Remember this rushing offense is supposed to be good. And I am not sure how much 4/3 we employed, but it is a viable option now.
    2) I like what we did with Tebow...we're adding some dimensions to our O. It helped with the run game for sure. In order to make it better, Tebow has to throw a few passes. Then, watch out!
    3) On that note, we actually ran the ball okay today, except for some of those unexplainable lapses, with big losses. We still need some fixing up here.
    4) I really do like our rookies! Cox is going to be a top quality player. Thompson looks hungry....loved the pic (again, 5th and 7th rounders!!!). DT looks scary! I just wish we had one more play into the endzone, because I could see him going up over Revis and coming down with the ball. Hey, Beadles and Walton are grinding it out, and that snap was unfortunate. Next year they'll be solid!
    5) Orton was okay today, and this against a very tough D, even if his stats weren't stellar by any means. No interceptions. Some really crisp passes. Not his best day for sure, but with Kyle and Tebow, we got a future.
    6) Prater can kick a 65 yarder in this stadium.....one day it will happen.
    7) The fans were outstanding!!! This part of our game must continue!!!

    I could go on about the things that didn't go so well, mainly not capitalizing on the early play.......but for me, this could have been a win, and in spite of some key injuries, we're growing. Hey....I'm still getting over it, but it wasn't bad...

    If we only play like that more often, we would be 3-3 or 4-2. I definitely think they made a statement! The Jets are one of the best teams this year, and we almost had them. I like that we were tougher this year. Offense still has a way to go, but I think it is the playcalling really. We should be able to smoke Oakland and San Francisco Houston, Arizona. STL might be an upset, and I bet we can go hand in hand with the Chargers. The Chiefs are an odd case.
    If we play like we did yesterday, (without the mistakes) we are looking at finishing the season quite well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncosDivision View Post
    They were awesome! I suggest we turn EVERY sunday into Orange Sunday and make every damn tv camera shake like we did today.

    Anyway, good post Can.. pretty much sums up my thoughts on what went well and what didn't. Once again, props to our rookie class.
    If our roster were intact I'd be sickened by these losses. But we're banged up and the players that have been called to step up to the plate have been awesome. The division is still up for grabs; there is a lot of football left to play and players will get healthy. This does not mean that we can sit back and wait for wins to happen. The team has to continue to respond with a sense of urgency like they did Sunday. All I am looking for is a playoff game to give the young team some experience. If they get the chance and win one and continue on, all the better. The deeper you get into the playoffs, the harder the loss. This team isn't ready for a Superbowl, but take any chance to get your foot in the door that you can.

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    The loss was bittersweet. I didn't feel as horrible about it as I did the loss to the Ravens. We were in the game and definitely showed more balance all around. ST made a big play and that was definitely very cool... despite the bad snap from Paxton. Overall, the team functioned well together and some players really stepped up. That felt really good to see.

    I still feel that this team is average, but I didn't entirely feel we got out-coached. With some of the poor execution this year, especially in our run game, the coaches are responsible for preparing this team each week in all facets... including discipline and fundamentals.

    I actually saw some heart from the team, which I felt was lacking the week before. But yet, when we were down, I didn't feel the confidence to overcome it. The bad snap to end the game was just a punch in the face. I would have rather have seen an incomplete pass or a fumble rather than just a bad snap. As much as I've been an Orton proponent, I've liked the guy since Chicago, one of his deficits is how he deals with pressure.

    As much as the center was to blame for the snap, Orton could have caught it or jumped on the ball and tried to make a play for the ball. We need to find a way to win and a heads up play by Orton would have been great in that situation. He looked confused when he lost the ball when he was the only one there for a split second, he was still standing and didn't really make a play for the ball. He seemed to have been lacking focus. Maybe the guy has slower reflexes, I don't know. Don't flame me, I'm not trying to blame Orton for the loss whatsoever, as I think the guy has been outstanding thus far, but he seems confused at times when there's pressure or seems to lack some instinct. He definitely hasn't been the blame for our losses, but he didn't do anything to recover from the mistake at the end of the game yesterday and I was a little disappointed.

    Please don't take this as an Orton bashing. I have been a supporter since we picked him up, although not Orton Army, and there is plenty of Orton bashing to go around. But this is just my personal feeling. You can point to any number of plays in any given game that could be considered game changers, but what happens to your team in the last few minutes of the game really defines clutch football at its best. As we grow as a team, I hope to see some improvement. Our 2-minute drill has definitely improved from last year, but we still need to close the games out. Let's hope that McD addresses that in the next few weeks.

    As much as people want to say that Oakland and SF are gimmes... they aren't. Oakland hates us and cares more about beating us than their overall record. SF is playing to try and turn things around for their team. With a win over Oakland, they may be feeling a little more positive. Singletary is on the hot seat. Who knows what they will look like in the next few weeks. Every game is important and these two games are must wins!

    Once again, I'm not a basher and it sucks that I have to justify this, but I just wanted to share my thoughts about what happened yesterday. I try to think of a big picture, not just the positives or just the negatives.

    Thanks for hearing me out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by acpell671 View Post
    The loss was bittersweet. I didn't feel as horrible about it as I did the loss to the Ravens. We were in the game and definitely showed more balance all around. ST made a big play and that was definitely very cool... despite the bad snap from Paxton. Overall, the team functioned well together and some players really stepped up. That felt really good to see.

    I still feel that this team is average, but I didn't entirely feel we got out-coached. With some of the poor execution this year, especially in our run game, the coaches are responsible for preparing this team each week in all facets... including discipline and fundamentals.

    I actually saw some heart from the team, which I felt was lacking the week before. But yet, when we were down, I didn't feel the confidence to overcome it. The bad snap to end the game was just a punch in the face. I would have rather have seen an incomplete pass or a fumble rather than just a bad snap. As much as I've been an Orton proponent, I've liked the guy since Chicago, one of his deficits is how he deals with pressure.

    As much as the center was to blame for the snap, Orton could have caught it or jumped on the ball and tried to make a play for the ball. We need to find a way to win and a heads up play by Orton would have been great in that situation. He looked confused when he lost the ball when he was the only one there for a split second, he was still standing and didn't really make a play for the ball. He seemed to have been lacking focus. Maybe the guy has slower reflexes, I don't know. Don't flame me, I'm not trying to blame Orton for the loss whatsoever, as I think the guy has been outstanding thus far, but he seems confused at times when there's pressure or seems to lack some instinct. He definitely hasn't been the blame for our losses, but he didn't do anything to recover from the mistake at the end of the game yesterday and I was a little disappointed.

    Please don't take this as an Orton bashing. I have been a supporter since we picked him up, although not Orton Army, and there is plenty of Orton bashing to go around. But this is just my personal feeling. You can point to any number of plays in any given game that could be considered game changers, but what happens to your team in the last few minutes of the game really defines clutch football at its best. As we grow as a team, I hope to see some improvement. Our 2-minute drill has definitely improved from last year, but we still need to close the games out. Let's hope that McD addresses that in the next few weeks.

    As much as people want to say that Oakland and SF are gimmes... they aren't. Oakland hates us and cares more about beating us than their overall record. SF is playing to try and turn things around for their team. With a win over Oakland, they may be feeling a little more positive. Singletary is on the hot seat. Who knows what they will look like in the next few weeks. Every game is important and these two games are must wins!

    Once again, I'm not a basher and it sucks that I have to justify this, but I just wanted to share my thoughts about what happened yesterday. I try to think of a big picture, not just the positives or just the negatives.

    Thanks for hearing me out.
    Andrea.......no justification necessary. You make a lot of good sense, and you are not a basher. I see it a lot like you see it.

    Last edited by CanDB; 10-18-2010 at 08:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    Andrea.......no justification necessary. You make a lot of good sense, and you are not a basher. I see it a lot like you see it.

    Thanks for that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by acpell671 View Post
    The loss was bittersweet. I didn't feel as horrible about it as I did the loss to the Ravens. We were in the game and definitely showed more balance all around. ST made a big play and that was definitely very cool... despite the bad snap from Paxton. Overall, the team functioned well together and some players really stepped up. That felt really good to see.

    I still feel that this team is average, but I didn't entirely feel we got out-coached. With some of the poor execution this year, especially in our run game, the coaches are responsible for preparing this team each week in all facets... including discipline and fundamentals.

    I actually saw some heart from the team, which I felt was lacking the week before. But yet, when we were down, I didn't feel the confidence to overcome it. The bad snap to end the game was just a punch in the face. I would have rather have seen an incomplete pass or a fumble rather than just a bad snap. As much as I've been an Orton proponent, I've liked the guy since Chicago, one of his deficits is how he deals with pressure.

    As much as the center was to blame for the snap, Orton could have caught it or jumped on the ball and tried to make a play for the ball. We need to find a way to win and a heads up play by Orton would have been great in that situation. He looked confused when he lost the ball when he was the only one there for a split second, he was still standing and didn't really make a play for the ball. He seemed to have been lacking focus. Maybe the guy has slower reflexes, I don't know. Don't flame me, I'm not trying to blame Orton for the loss whatsoever, as I think the guy has been outstanding thus far, but he seems confused at times when there's pressure or seems to lack some instinct. He definitely hasn't been the blame for our losses, but he didn't do anything to recover from the mistake at the end of the game yesterday and I was a little disappointed.

    Please don't take this as an Orton bashing. I have been a supporter since we picked him up, although not Orton Army, and there is plenty of Orton bashing to go around. But this is just my personal feeling. You can point to any number of plays in any given game that could be considered game changers, but what happens to your team in the last few minutes of the game really defines clutch football at its best. As we grow as a team, I hope to see some improvement. Our 2-minute drill has definitely improved from last year, but we still need to close the games out. Let's hope that McD addresses that in the next few weeks.

    As much as people want to say that Oakland and SF are gimmes... they aren't. Oakland hates us and cares more about beating us than their overall record. SF is playing to try and turn things around for their team. With a win over Oakland, they may be feeling a little more positive. Singletary is on the hot seat. Who knows what they will look like in the next few weeks. Every game is important and these two games are must wins!

    Once again, I'm not a basher and it sucks that I have to justify this, but I just wanted to share my thoughts about what happened yesterday. I try to think of a big picture, not just the positives or just the negatives.

    Thanks for hearing me out.
    I agree with 99.9% of what you say. But it isn't just the coaching staffs responsibility to prepare the team for the game. Locker room leaders need to step up and get the team focused on the win factor. And each player must show up ready to give 100% and play together as a team. It's easy to blame the coach(es) and the officials for a loss. It is a total team effort from top to bottom. But great post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    When I was looking ahead to this game, I had us at 9 and 7 with a win, maybe even 10 and 6.......if we lost, I felt that 8 and 8 was the likely outcome, depending how we lost. In fact, a bad loss and 8 and 8 was the best I would offer. On the other hand, we played good enough to win, showed some new exciting plays, added some 4/3, and made me feel more confident about our future. Therefore I still see a 9 and 7 possiblity.......hopefully we can go on a streak, and position ourselves to keep in the AFC West race. Wildcard is out.

    But back to your post......IFS don't get it done. So, no matter how you slice it, we lost the game. All the IFS do is make you hang on a little longer......lets just move on. We'll be fine.
    Agreed that IFS don't get it done. The point is that we were one of 3 plays away from walking away with that win. That means we beat ourselves more than the Jets beat us. When you can actually control what beat you, it makes the loss more frustrating, but it also makes the losing better able to be fixed.

    Having IFS that you can fix is much, much better than saying we just got beat because they were the better team. You can't do anything about that until the offseason.

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