View Poll Results: Which Would You Rather Have:

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  • Great Pass Rush

    119 85.00%
  • Lockdown Secondary

    21 15.00%
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  1. #16
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    Great pass rush = great secondary!

    Even Champ Bailey looks bad when he has to hold his coverage 6 or 7 seconds every play!

    But, the most important thingof all IMO is stopping the run, something we haven't been good at in a long time, hence the reason we need Dareus!

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    Great comments, especially on stopping the run.

    Can't remember the last time we were good at that. 05? 06? It has been a while.

  3. #18
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    I chose a better pass rush.If a QB has to rush his throws he is an inaccurate QB causing him to throw ints no matter who is back there.Thats why i would rather draft a couple DL over a CB with our first couple of picks.We have had a decent secondary,now its time to complete the defense.DL lets go!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bernie24 View Post
    Ask the Ravens which is more important
    you got a number I can call?

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    Even Deion Sanders admitted it, you can't shutdown a receiver for an extended amount of time. Give any NFL QB an extended amount of time to throw they will find a hole in your coverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Touch_30_Down View Post
    Even Deion Sanders admitted it, you can't shutdown a receiver for an extended amount of time. Give any NFL QB an extended amount of time to throw they will find a hole in your coverage.
    That's right....Sanders got to play behind guys like Charles Haley, Leon Lett, Dana Stubblefield, and Bryant. He played behind the two best defensive lines of his generation. Teams almost never had 3 seconds to throw against the 49ers or the Cowboys.

    That doesn't mean Deion wasn't a great corner, because he was. You can win with average corners and a good pass rush. The Broncos did it in the late 90's. However, you can't win with no pass and excellent corners. I think we're all aware of that now after last year.

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    This ...

    ... is a silly question.

    Makes it sound as if one may only have one or the other.

    Any football defense is a system consisting of eleven players who work together to deal with what scouting tells them they will see in any given situation.

    From the first steps of the OL, the D reads run (play action) or pass (screen/draw).

    D must be able to stop running plays. If D can't stop the run, why would O even bother throwing the ball?

    D must be able to pressure the thrower (whoever he may be) on passing plays. Three pass rushers is prevent, four is regular and five or more is blitz. Inadequate pass pressure will make the best secondary look bad because they can't cover forever.

    What is this supposed to be? Chicken/egg? The best defenses have both.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

  8. #23
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    Pass rush.

    The New York Giants pass rush held an 18-0 offense to 17 (?) points in the SB. That's my kind of defense! A Ray Edwards, Haynesworth, Marvin Austin, Robert Quinn type offseason suits me right down to the ground. With Dumervil coming in as a pass rush specialist.

    In a division with aruably the best QB in the league the answer is obvious.......

  9. #24
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    ... is a silly question.

    Makes it sound as if one may only have one or the other.

    Any football defense is a system consisting of eleven players who work together to deal with what scouting tells them they will see in any given situation.

    From the first steps of the OL, the D reads run (play action) or pass (screen/draw).

    D must be able to stop running plays. If D can't stop the run, why would O even bother throwing the ball?

    D must be able to pressure the thrower (whoever he may be) on passing plays. Three pass rushers is prevent, four is regular and five or more is blitz. Inadequate pass pressure will make the best secondary look bad because they can't cover forever.

    What is this supposed to be? Chicken/egg? The best defenses have both.
    Good comparison to the chicken/egg argument.

  10. #25
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    I never took it as an either/or proposition, maybe l read it wrong. In any case, l'd take the pass rusher over the cover corner but, obviously, l'd prefer to have both. I'd build the defense around the DL, ideally one that could also stop the run. A CB that could play on an island is enough if your scheme can get pressure without a dominant pass rush, but we've seen how that story ends, haven't we?

    Idk, maybe l read it wrong.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by stnzed View Post
    I never took it as an either/or proposition, maybe l read it wrong. In any case, l'd take the pass rusher over the cover corner but, obviously, l'd prefer to have both. I'd build the defense around the DL, ideally one that could also stop the run. A CB that could play on an island is enough if your scheme can get pressure without a dominant pass rush, but we've seen how that story ends, haven't we?

    Idk, maybe l read it wrong.......
    That's pretty much what I said.

    See, we don't disagree on everything!

    Thank you to my grandfather jetrazor for being a veteran of the armed forces!

  12. #27
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    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    That's pretty much what I said.

    See, we don't disagree on everything!
    I have my moments.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by nic.zeman24 View Post
    I believe you can make your secondary better with a strong psaa rush but you cant make your pass rush better with a lockdown secondary
    I'm not sure I agree with that.
    All you need is another 1 or 2 seconds of coverage for even a mediocre pass rush to collapse the pocket-unless you're completely swamped with college level athletes on the D-line.
    I would rather have a dominant lines play than any other group or position other than QB. Without a decent O and D line you're just wasting your time.

  14. #29
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    Offenses are too complicated to expect corners and safeties to cover NFL receivers for longer than 5 seconds. The best cornerbacks in the world will tell you that a decent pass rush helps them immensely. Without a pass rush, more zone coverage is played and bigger cushions are allowed on the line of scrimmage. In the spread offenses of today's NFL, short passes will take advantage of these situations all day long.

  15. #30
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    Well it looks like their is 55 smart people on here.

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