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    The ironic thing is - Sansa will be like - 'I told you so- we couldn't trust her' .......... but if it wasn't for Sansa betraying Jon's trust(by spilling his beans)- NONE of this would have happened
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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzolve View Post
    The ironic thing is - Sansa will be like - 'I told you so- we couldn't trust her' .......... but if it wasn't for Sansa betraying Jon's trust(by spilling his beans)- NONE of this would have happened
    Most of it would have still happened, but Varys would still be alive, if Jon hadn’t been foolish enough to trust Sansa.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    Most of it would have still happened, but Varys would still be alive, if Jon hadn’t been foolish enough to trust Sansa.
    I disagree

    If Jon and Dany's little secret didn't get out- Dany wouldn't have been nearly as inclined to instill 'fear' rather than illicit love. Without Sansa spreading the news, Dany would have felt much more in control.

    Really though I'm not sure what you mean by "most of it". The only main thing I'm referring to is her basically going from friend of the 'downtrodden' to murderer of thousands of innocents

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    me being me, i absolutely love danny now!

    Darth Danny the new sith lord of GOT, sidious would be pleased!!!


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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    What are your thoughts of episode

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    Here's an interesting subreddit, All of the foreshadowing that lead up to last night's episode
    (bolding mine):

    • 106 - Viserys, after seeing how much the Dothraki love Daenerys, becomes jealous and tries to run away saying “Who can rule without wealth or fear of love.” (Daenerys well echo this sentiment in 804 and 805)
    • 204 – Daenerys “When my dragons are grown… we will lay waste to armies and burn cities to the ground.”
    • 206 – Daenerys “I will take what is mine with fire and blood.”
    • 207 - Cersei Lannister “Half the Targaryens went mad, didn't they? What's the saying? "Every time a Targaryen is born, the gods flip a coin."
    • 210 – Daenerys has a vision of a destroyed throne room. She reaches out to the throne but never touches it.
    • 303 – Daenerys when speaking about her brother Rhaegar “…he was not the last dragon.”
    • 404 - Daenerys executes 163 Meereenese noblemen. In 406 we learn some of these men were innocent. Daenerys shows absolutely no regret.
    • 405 – Daenerys speaking with Jorah. “You counseled me against rashness once in Qarth. I didn’t listen. It all worked out well.”
    • 407 – Jorah tells Daenerys “The masters treated men like beasts, as you said. Herding the masters into pens and slaughtering them by the thousands is also treating men like beasts.” Reminding her “I wouldn't be here to help you if Ned Stark had done to me what you want to do to the masters of Yunkai.”
    • 407 – Daenerys “They can live in my new world or they can die in their old one.”
    • 505 – Daenerys executes an innocent Meereenese nobleman for the sole purpose of intimidating the other nobles.
    • 505 – Daenerys reopens the fighting pits allowing for innocent men to kill one another for entertainment.
    • 508 – Daenerys “I’m not going to stop the wheel. I’m going to break the wheel.”
    • 604 – Daenerys murders the leaders of the Dothraki for the sole purpose of consolidating power.
    • 606 – Dario to Daenerys “You weren’t made to sit on a chair in a palace. You’re a conquer, Daenerys Stormborn.”
    • 606 – Daenerys to the Dothraki “Will you kill my enemies in their iron suits and tear down their stone houses?”
    • 609 – Speaking about the masters Daenerys swears to “Kill every one of their soldiers and return their cities to the dirt.” Tyrion responds “You once told me you knew what your father was. Did you know his plans for King’s Landing?” Daenerys “This is entirely different!” Tyrion “You’re talking about destroying cities. It’s not entirely different.”
    • 702 – Yara Greyjoy, Olenna Tyrell, and Ellaria Sand all try to convince Daenerys to use her dragons on King’s Landing. Tyrion convinces her to do otherwise. (This is important as Tyrion’s plans fail, and his repeated failures show Daenerys there’s no other option)
    • 702 - Olenna Tyrell “Commoners and nobles are all children really. They won’t obey you unless they fear you.” And later. “You’re a dragon. Be a dragon.”
    • 704 – After news of her army’s defeat at Casterly Rock, Daenerys questions Tyrion’s plans and his loyalty.
    • 704 – Daenerys “Enough with the clever plans. I have 3 large dragons. I’m going to fly them to the red keep.”
    • 705 – Daenerys executes Randal and Dickon Tarly when imprisonment was a perfectly viable option.
    • 705 – Tyrion “Daenerys is not her father.” Varys “And she never will be with the right counsel. You need to find a way to make her listen.”
    • 705 – Tyrion devises a convoluted plan to capture a wight to convince Cersi to help fight the night King. Over the rest of seasons 7 and 8 this plan goes horribly wrong and results in the death of a dragon. The failure of this plan further degrades Daenerys’ trust of Tyrion.
    • 801 – Lyanna Mormon publically confronts Jon Snow about giving up his crown and swearing allegiance to Daenerys. This is the beginning of Daenerys’ realization that she has no love in Westeros.
    • 802 – Daenerys is angry that Tyrion’s advice about Cersei turned out to be wrong. Saying “Either you are a traitor or a fool.” And “Cersei still sits on the throne. If you can’t help me take it back I will find another Hand who can.”
    • 803 – Jorah is killed in battle. He has proven to be one of the few advisors Daenerys had that tried to temper her impulses.
    • 804 – Daenerys sees people praising Jon Snow and becomes jealous.
    • 804 – Tormund “What kind of person climbs on a ****ing dragon? A madman, or a king!” (I’d like to point out when Tormund says “madman” it cuts to a shot of Dany, and when he says “or a king!” it cuts to Jon)
    • 804 – Speaking about Jorah to Jon, Daenerys “He loved me and I couldn’t love him back. Not the way he wanted. Not the way I love you.” (Her love for Jon is not returned in 805)
    • 804 – Daenerys “I saw them gathered around you. I saw the way they looked at you. I know that look. So many people have looked at me that way but never here.”
    • 804 – Varys “These are the people you came here to protect. Do not destroy the city you came to save…” Daenerys “I’m here to save the world fromy tyrants… and I will serve it, no matter the cost.”
    • 804 - Daenerys “Speaking to Cersei will not prevent a slaughter. But perhaps its good the people see Daenerys Stormborn made every effort to avoid bloodshed and Cersei Lannister refused. They should know whom to blame when the sky falls down on them.” (We should note she is directly talking about “The People” here)
    • 804 – Missandei’s final words before her execution. “Dracarys”.
    • 805 – Varys “They say every time a Targaryen is born, the Gods toss a coin and the world holds its breath.”
    • 805 – Daenerys speaking to Jon “Far more people in Westeros love you than love me. I don’t have love here. I only have fear.”
    • 805 – After a half hearted kiss with Jon, Daenerys says “Alright then. Let it be fear.” (Echoing what Viserys said in 106)
    • 805 – Tyrion “The people who live there, they’re not your enemies. They’re innocents.” Daenerys “Your sister knows how to use their enemies weaknesses against them. That’s what she thinks our mercy is. Our mercy is our strength. Our mercy toward future generations who will not be held hostage by a tyrant.” (She’s all but saying she’s not going to show mercy and will butcher everyone in the city)
    • 805 – Daenerys to Tyrion. “Next time your fail me will be the last time you fail me.”

    And that’s just what I can remember off the top of my head.

    Here’s the point. Daenerys threatened multiple times to burn cities to the ground, she executed/murdered innocent people numerous times to consolidate power, she realized without love all she has left to rule with was fear, and she grew to distrust the only advisor trying to prevent her from burning down King’s landing.

    She wasn’t “acting out of character” at any point in 805. She literally did the thing she’s threatened to do for multiple seasons.

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    Video compilation of all of Daenerys & dragon "kills" seasons 1-7:



    The execution of the Tarlys, and of the Mereenese nobleman by feeding him to her dragons under the pyramid were unnecessary, and excessively cruel. The latter especially since Varys later discovered that the Sons of the Harpy were funded by slavers from Yunkai, Astapor, and Volantis, not those noblemen.

    There has always been a duality to Daenerys' character -- a kind compassionate side ("Myhsa"), and a very ruthless side to her --more in line with her Targaryen heritage. While she was certainly a better person than her brother Viserys, she was still essentially raised by him, grew up in his shadow and that had to have some impact on character.

    All she needed was the right number of things occurring in rapid succession to succumb to her darker side more fully, which was always there. So was the inbred, Targaryen propensity to madness --just waiting to manifest under the right conditions. The writers really rushed the catalysts, but they are there: rejections, betrayals, losses.

    Consider also that there have been cases of people who seemed "normal" but went "postal" -on a murder spree, their inability to handle negative events having built up in a pressure cooker. People who thought they "knew" them were mystified by their sudden rampage.
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    There was no getting around this, the destruction of King's Landing was a fixed and fated outcome, foreseen through Dany's vision of the "snowy" ("ashy"?) Great Hall in ruins in the House of the Undying in Season 2.





    Bran also saw the same ruined Hall in Season 4 along with the shadow of the dragon over King's Landing.

    And, even more significantly, Bran saw the dragon shadow again in Season Six, this time juxtaposed with the Mad King, pyromancers, and wildfire explosions.



    Most believed the wildfire component of those visions came to fruition with the Sept explosion, but Dany detonated her father's other old caches of wildfire that were hidden around the city.



    "You've heard of wildfire? The Mad King was obsessed with it. He loved to watch people burn, the way their skin blackened and blistered and melted off their bones. He burned lords he didn't like. He burned Hands who disobeyed him. He burned anyone who was against him. Before long, half the country was against him. Aerys saw traitors everywhere. So he had his pyromancers place caches of wildfire all over the city. Beneath the Sept of Baelor and the slums of Flea Bottom. Under houses, stables, taverns. Even beneath the Red Keep itself."

    ―Ser Jaime Lannister Se3Ep5 "Kissed by Fire"
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbronco View Post
    That's what happens when you have only 6 episodes in your last season. Things kinda just happen. They can hit rhaegal from hundreds of feet in the air but all of sudden they get storm trooper syndrome and can't hit anything.

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    Rhaegal was surprised and he was still recovering from the injuries he suffered last battle.

    They made some effort to show Drogon was using better tactics...using a dive bomb approach with the sun, staying low to avoid firing arcs.

    I think the whole thing could have been written better but I do think they tried to show why Drogon was such a dominant force.

    Ultimately they wanted the Mad Queen to burn the city down and this was the path that it was going to happen.
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    I thought it was a good episode. I realize why people are not happy with the whole Mad Queen story arc but I do not think GoT is that kind of show.

    There was hope Daenerys would make the right choice but the whole story has been about the people around Daenerys trying to keep her from making bad decisions. All the people around here were either removed are too lost in their own personal issues to give Daenerys the support she needed.

    Maybe if her people were not dead or so lost in their own issues they would have reminded Daenerys that she could have burned the city down on day 1. She picked a different path and everyone who died on that path died for a purpose....her dragons...her friends...and if she burned down the city...well they died for nothing.

    But she lost her support system so she acted on her own while deep in her feelings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by captainbronco View Post
    That's what happens when you have only 6 episodes in your last season. Things kinda just happen. They can hit rhaegal from hundreds of feet in the air but all of sudden they get storm trooper syndrome and can't hit anything.
    Here's what they should have done with that:

    Cancel the stupid, unbelievable Euron attack in Ep. 4 and don't show us the new and bigger Scorpions at all until Ep. 5. Dany attacks with Drogon and Rhaegal, they unveil these weapons, and while most miss (because in reality they are just primitive and very inaccurate weapons that lack even basic gun sights, as medieval military historians have pointed out) one gets 'lucky' and kills Rhaegal. Let this event, in the heat of combat, be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and flips Dany's inbred madness switch!
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    Here's what they should have done with that:

    Cancel the stupid, unbelievable Euron attack in Ep. 4 and don't show us the new and bigger Scorpions at all until Ep. 5. Dany attacks with Drogon and Rhaegal, they unveil these weapons, and while most miss (because in reality they are just primitive and very inaccurate weapons that lack even basic gun sights, as medieval military historians have pointed out) one gets 'lucky' and kills Rhaegal. Let this event, in the heat of combat, be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and flips Dany's inbred madness switch!
    I would have liked that better in terms of how Rheagal dies.

    IMO Missandei execution was the event that flipped the switch. Not just the actual event itself with Missandei last word but also the lack of counsel from her and others.

    Lot of other things piled on (Jon not returning her love and her claiming then it will be fear for example) but I knew the city was going to burn to the ground when Missandei's head hit the ground after hearing Missandei's last word.
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    Game of Thrones has been an amazing show with a lot of great (or was great) writing and character stories.

    But ever since these two got together and on the screen together - my interest in the show at the time just SPIKES. The story with these two is what really left a lasting impression on the series for me.

    Sad to see it end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    Here's what they should have done with that:

    Cancel the stupid, unbelievable Euron attack in Ep. 4 and don't show us the new and bigger Scorpions at all until Ep. 5. Dany attacks with Drogon and Rhaegal, they unveil these weapons, and while most miss (because in reality they are just primitive and very inaccurate weapons that lack even basic gun sights, as medieval military historians have pointed out) one gets 'lucky' and kills Rhaegal. Let this event, in the heat of combat, be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back and flips Dany's inbred madness switch!
    That could've worked well, and might have made killing a dragon with one of those things more believable.

    I agree about the sights. That might've made more sense when Rhaegal got it, because he was essentially at cruising speed, and not doing anything evasive. Lower altitude would've made sense too, and helped with the idea that Daenerys didn't see the ambush.

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    https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultas.../#2f4410a4788a

    I figured I'd share this. I was very curious as to why the show was ending so abruptly. Apparently D&D accepted a job to take over the next Star Wars trilogy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua2585 View Post
    https://www.forbes.com/sites/paultas.../#2f4410a4788a

    I figured I'd share this. I was very curious as to why the show was ending so abruptly. Apparently D&D accepted a job to take over the next Star Wars trilogy.
    That isn't the cause though because they were awarded their own Star Wars trilogy last Fall, when Season 7 was done, when Season 8 was already written, filmed, and in post-production. George Lucas had also visited the set last year but before they got their trilogy --maybe he recommended them to Kathleen Kennedy?

    Many years ago, they decided that it would run seven seasons, and it ended up being about that -- slightly more at 73 instead of 70 episodes. If they had added an extra seven episodes for a nice round number of 80, it might have helped, but only marginally. They don't know how to write a sensible and cohesive story (this was immediately and painfully clear when they wrote the lousy Dorne arc in Season 5) and they really needed outside help, like from GRRM himself.
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