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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    If this is the plan and we actually add another player like Freeney as well as resigning Dumervil than we struck gold IMO. If we can spell Dumervil with Freeney on occasion then I could really see a fresh Dumervil having another pro bowl year. IMO He just isn't built to withstand another 950 snap season.
    This would be the perfect Scenario. We have Depth, and we can switch out Doom and Freeney to keep both players fresh. Unfortunately unless Freeney signs for the Vet minimum we can't have both.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokyong View Post
    Nowhere in my post did I say that we shouldnt replace Doom with Freeney osi or Abraham.
    I understand that.......the last line of your post to me asked WHO if Dumervil were not here would open things up for Miller. i simply said everybody is essentially banking that if he's gone one of those others would certainly be here.

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    Troy Miller ‏@TheTroyMiller
    Attorney: Elvis Dumervil's former agent wants NFLPA to examine contract snafu with Broncos http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--at...medium=twitter

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokyong View Post
    This would be the perfect Scenario. We have Depth, and we can switch out Doom and Freeney to keep both players fresh. Unfortunately unless Freeney signs for the Vet minimum we can't have both.
    This would be just as big an acquisition as Welker would IMO. Maybe this would be the restructure Manning has hinted at, we use our money to re sign Dumervil you use your money to help sign your boy.
    Wishful thinking, but who knows.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matymaddog View Post
    Yea I think it's pretty clear that if the Broncos are still pursuing him for the same contract despite now having dead money because of the situation, and the fact that they gambled on waiting for doom opposed to cutting him when his agent requested he be cut and miss out on the FA fest at DE with guys like Avril, Bennett, etc and that they didn't have a knee jerk reaction on here like fans did and just gave up and signed Osi and/or Freeney tells me the Broncos brass see's and believes exactly what us DOOM supporters see and believe in terms of just how "Replaceable" he really is. Which is not very easily replaceable.
    yeah they are not offering the same contract. They are offering less.
    http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci...remain-picture

    Elway would not get into details about the team's new proposal, but the expectation is it came in considerably less than the three-year, $30 million contract that was offered,

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    Troy Miller ‏@TheTroyMiller
    Attorney: Elvis Dumervil's former agent wants NFLPA to examine contract snafu with Broncos http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--at...medium=twitter
    Of course he would. From my understanding, Elvis was his only client. If that's true, he knows that he'll never, ever have another client again, unless he can prove that the Broncos were to blame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JayJack View Post
    Of course he would. From my understanding, Elvis was his only client. If that's true, he knows that he'll never, ever have another client again, unless he can prove that the Broncos were to blame.
    If Elvis was his only client then yeah. Guy needs to look for another job. Nobody will ever be his client after this mess up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    Troy Miller ‏@TheTroyMiller
    Attorney: Elvis Dumervil's former agent wants NFLPA to examine contract snafu with Broncos http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--at...medium=twitter
    so if Doom don't get 8 million a year he wants to have the option to sue the Broncos?

    If this is the case, look for another alternative now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    The only person suggesting we wouldn't replace him with a threat is Matymaddog who stated/ implied our only options are ayers and beal.
    I was under the impression that everybody acknowledges the fact that if Dumervil gone we would sign a specialist....in fact it's absurd to think we wouldn't. His post and now yours are the only ones I have seen implying we wouldn't have either Frreney, Osi, Abraham, etc as a replacement in that role.
    Isn't this what this whole debate is about? If its about whether Dumervil is a better option than Beal or Ayers plus cash then I'm lost.
    No I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I specifically said DOOM was the best option. Osi is good but I said he was overrated by people who implied he would be more effective than DOOM. I also said Dwight Freeney had questions about him coming off a 12 tackle season and as for Abraham all I said was that the same people saying DOOM only had good numbers because we blew opponents out, that Atlanta blew out just as many if not more opponents. So yes, do not put words in my mouth. Thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokyong View Post
    The broncos are still purusing Doom because he is younger and the best option out of the remaining Free agents. Of course you want the best players on your team. Doom is replaceble with Osi, Freeney, or Abraham, and I think they they can do well on our team. Are they a better player than Doom? probably not. But Doom is replaceable.
    The word "Replacable" means to me that we would get just as much production out of another player. Not that we would have to go and get 2-3 more guys to match it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    If this is the plan and we actually add another player like Freeney as well as resigning Dumervil than we struck gold IMO. If we can spell Dumervil with Freeney on occasion then I could really see a fresh Dumervil having another pro bowl year. IMO He just isn't built to withstand another 950 snap season.
    That is why we wanted to restructure the contract in the first place. So that we have more room to sign a guy like Freeney.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bokyong View Post
    This would be the perfect Scenario. We have Depth, and we can switch out Doom and Freeney to keep both players fresh. Unfortunately unless Freeney signs for the Vet minimum we can't have both.
    This isn't true. As I mentioned, it has been published on here a few times how the broncos could structure the contract so that DOOM would have the same cap hit this year as he would have had the contract been faxed through on time which would have left us with about 4 million minimum I believe. That doesn't include cutting Joe Mays or cutting/restructuring Kuper

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matymaddog View Post
    No I didn't. Don't put words in my mouth. I specifically said DOOM was the best option. Osi is good but I said he was overrated by people who implied he would be more effective than DOOM. I also said Dwight Freeney had questions about him coming off a 12 tackle season and as for Abraham all I said was that the same people saying DOOM only had good numbers because we blew opponents out, that Atlanta blew out just as many if not more opponents. So yes, do not put words in my mouth. Thank you
    This was your post, notice the first eleven words. Tell me where I put words in your mouth.........


    "If we lose doom and are left with what we got, Wolfe would still kick inside so guys like Malik or Beal could come in off the edge. Actually correction, it would be a battle of Ayers, Beal and Malik at one spot with Von coming off the edge at the other side. Unless we decide to run a base 3 man front with Von playing an OLB role. But even last season when we sometimes ran a base 3 man rush von was at DE but sometimes Wolfe would also play DE in that base 3 man front. Really depended on the down and distance. If there was no threat of a run Von was there, if there was Wolfe was there with Von at OLB. If it was a 4 man front, I don't recall Wolfe every playing DE in a 4 man front on 3rd and long"

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    This was your post, notice the first eleven words. Tell me where I put words in your mouth.........


    "If we lose doom and are left with what we got, Wolfe would still kick inside so guys like Malik or Beal could come in off the edge. Actually correction, it would be a battle of Ayers, Beal and Malik at one spot with Von coming off the edge at the other side. Unless we decide to run a base 3 man front with Von playing an OLB role. But even last season when we sometimes ran a base 3 man rush von was at DE but sometimes Wolfe would also play DE in that base 3 man front. Really depended on the down and distance. If there was no threat of a run Von was there, if there was Wolfe was there with Von at OLB. If it was a 4 man front, I don't recall Wolfe every playing DE in a 4 man front on 3rd and long"
    And where exactly do I

    The only person suggesting we wouldn't replace him with a threat is Matymaddog who stated/ implied our only options are ayers and beal.
    Because I didn't at all suggest that we wouldn't replace him. I simply said if we are left with what we got. Which we likely wouldn't be. Because you brought up that Wolfe would be more than sufficient at DE on 3rd and long.

    Wolfe the Rookie was asked to something that Wolfe the second year pro likely will not. Especially if Dumervil is not here. Remember Dumervils absence is what is driving these options, not his presence. Of course last year we didnt yank Dumervil to play Wolfe. What sense would that make....Dumervil excells in that one area. your example is absurd....However, Had Dumervil not been here last year I'm sure Wolfe would have rarely moved inside.
    So I am saying that even if we didn't bring in a FA threat (Which we probably would) that Wolfe still wouldn't be rushing from DE in a 4 man front on 3rd and long. So yes, you are putting words in my mouth. This is the second time in what...5 pages you have done that? It's ok to apologize. You need to stop creating arguments that are not there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarkB View Post
    Troy Miller ‏@TheTroyMiller
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    Interesting...

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