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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Don't like the quotes from Marty? Take it up with him....they are not my words.
    You have said many many times Brees was so terrible he had to be replaced and lost his job in 2003.....I simply said multiple times he was still a young qb going through growing pains and clearly -by the guys own coaches statement- I was exactly right. You only downplay the fateful decisions because they hurt to accept. Stop ignoring the reality that the team decided to move on from Brees waaaaay before any bad shoulder.

    Those fateful few years from the end of 2003 season to the start of the 06 season are things we will laugh at your franchise for forever. You can (and will) downplay those fateful decisions forever but they don't change the bottom line...they were poor decisions that have only been magnified by time and results.

    Deal with it guy....no matter how much you try you will never ever convince anybody the decision to move on from Brees was a solid choice. Blame his 03 season, blame the shoulder, but bottom line it was a terrible call. Your team chose Rivers over Drew Brees TWICE!! LMAO forever
    that was brees' third year in the league and he got yanked, that is a 100% fact. did you expect marty to throw him under the bus through the media?

    that same coach was there when they drafted eli manning and traded for rivers, after marty coached rivers in the senior bowl. again, you are the only one on this planet making this argument now and especially then when it happened.

    i am also not denying that they were going to move on from brees considering they drafted eli and traded for rivers. i already said why and it makes sense to everyone but you and the other biased haters here.

    brees was not working out the first three seasons here, people had their serious doubts about if he could even play in the NFL due to his size, which is why he dropped to the second round. in 2004 he finally broke out and he was our guy from then on until he got his throwing shoulder severely hurt right before his contract negotiations we set to take place.

    you are in the vast minority when it comes to this ridiculous argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    you are in the vast minority when it comes to this ridiculous argument.
    Brees didn't eat magic beans and become a better QB overnight. You ever think it was the team around him that wasn't getting it done, and not Brees? They guessed wrong, period, and Brees is the better QB. That's 100% fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    that was brees' third year in the league and he got yanked, that is a 100% fact. did you expect marty to throw him under the bus through the media?

    that same coach was there when they drafted eli manning and traded for rivers, after marty coached rivers in the senior bowl. again, you are the only one on this planet making this argument now and especially then when it happened.

    i am also not denying that they were going to move on from brees considering they drafted eli and traded for rivers. i already said why and it makes sense to everyone but you and the other biased haters here.

    brees was not working out the first three seasons here, people had their serious doubts about if he could even play in the NFL due to his size, which is why he dropped to the second round. in 2004 he finally broke out and he was our guy from then on until he got his throwing shoulder severely hurt right before his contract negotiations we set to take place.

    you are in the vast minority when it comes to this ridiculous argument.
    "dropped to the second round" is word play semantics.....yes it was the second round, but it was also the first pick of the second rd and he was the second qb off the board. He had only one full year of starting and he was 8-8, The next year Marty himself said Brees was trying to do too much and needed to sit back and watch and learn for a few games.
    Then the team panicked and caved into the pressure of picking a QB because of such a high draft pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kishzilla View Post
    Brees didn't eat magic beans and become a better QB overnight. You ever think it was the team around him that wasn't getting it done, and not Brees? They guessed wrong, period, and Brees is the better QB. That's 100% fact.
    well so far rivers did, didn't he?

    i like how you want to blame the rest of the team when talking about brees but with rivers that is never mentioned, how come?

    i mean, the offensive personnel was virtually the exact same. could it be that it just took brees longer to develop his game than people thought? when i say people i mean everybody.

    that and the fact that his job was in direct jeopardy had a lot to do with it i am sure. also, even though i agree brees is the better QB, saying that is a fact is just dumb lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    jj watt only has 3.5 sacks, why would you want him?
    What's wrong with 3.5 sacks ? I like guys who get sacks and 3.5 is a good Number for an interior lineman ( on pace for 14 on the season i think thats impressive not almost sacks)
    He is also double teamed every play and he's solid against the run!
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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    "dropped to the second round" is word play semantics.....yes it was the second round, but it was also the first pick of the second rd and he was the second qb off the board. He had only one full year of starting and he was 8-8, The next year Marty himself said Brees was trying to do too much and needed to sit back and watch and learn for a few games.
    Then the team panicked and caved into the pressure of picking a QB because of such a high draft pick.
    again, our coach at the time who you quoted as saying defended brees was the guy that wanted rivers after he coached him in the senor bowl

    they didn't panic about anything, that is 100% made up garbage. the only pressure they had at the time was to not draft eli, which we all know didn't seem to effect their decision making in the slightest.

    the chargers seemed to lose faith in brees because he was not working out after three years in the league. that kind of thing is common in the NFL, especially with a short QB like brees that many people doubted at the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    What's wrong with 3.5 sacks ? He is also double teamed every play and he's solid against the run!
    and you don't think a guy like freeney is double teamed? or does that excuse only work when it suits you? i think you missed the sarcasm in my post, you guys are all saying only sacks matter yet watt is getting all this praise and he has only 3.5 sacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    well so far rivers did, didn't he?
    Rivers has always been able to put up fantasy football stats.

    i like how you want to blame the rest of the team when talking about brees but with rivers that is never mentioned, how come?
    Because Rivers is a proven loser with much more than Brees ever had in SD.

    even though i agree brees is the better QB, saying that is a fact is just dumb lol
    It's not a fact? Dude you're a frickin' fool

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    and you don't think a guy like freeney is double teamed? or does that excuse only work when it suits you? i think you missed the sarcasm in my post, you guys are all saying only sacks matter yet watt is getting all this praise and he has only 3.5 sacks
    Watt is only one year removed from DPOY and a 20.5 sack season. Freeney has NEVER had a season like that, and furthermore, he is 4 years removed from double digit sacks at all.

    And Freeney drawing double teams? Like Watt does?

    Not only no but hell no. Do you even watch your games?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kishzilla View Post
    Rivers has always been able to put up fantasy football stats.



    Because Rivers is a proven loser with much more than Brees ever had in SD.



    It's not a fact? Dude you're a frickin' fool
    LOL!!!! much more this year than brees ever had? and i am the fool?

    lets see, we have one of the worst pass defense's in the league and a mediocre running game. the areas where we are better is possibly receiver and DL.

    right now rivers is playing out of his mind with an inferior team around him, a defense that isn't really helping him, he has nowhere near a clear #1 receiver other than gates, and a mediocre at best running game.

    brees had LT in his prime which trumps all the RB's and most the receivers we have now anyways. and saying that brees is a better QB than rivers is indeed an opinion dude ROFL!! i know you are smarter than that.

    saying the word Fact is only cool if it actually is a fact

    here is a real fact for you.....rivers' career QB record is 72-44......career loser? i don't think so, and that actually is a fact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kishzilla View Post
    Watt is only one year removed from DPOY and a 20.5 sack season. Freeney has NEVER had a season like that, and furthermore, he is 4 years removed from double digit sacks at all.

    And Freeney drawing double teams? Like Watt does?

    Not only no but hell no. Do you even watch your games?
    freeney was the only true threat on this team, hell yes he has been double teamed. i don't know how much compared to watt but he has been for sure, even weddle has mentioned it before just off the top of my head.

    yes i watch my team play, its clear you do not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    and you don't think a guy like freeney is double teamed? or does that excuse only work when it suits you? i think you missed the sarcasm in my post, you guys are all saying only sacks matter yet watt is getting all this praise and he has only 3.5 sacks
    Baph a with all due respect are you comparing JJ Watt to Dwight Freeney?
    Freeney is a good pass rush specialist he's not in the same league as Watt! And he was double teamed cause he was the only pass rush threat your team had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    LOL!!!! much more this year than brees ever had? and i am the fool?

    So do all the other years when Rivers fell on his face don't count now all of the sudden or what? Are we just pretending like when you had the #1 Defense and Offense that you couldn't muster more than a .500 season?

    You're counting your chickens before they've hatched dude. You're assuming Rivers season is already a success and that he's proven it with mediocre talent. News flash, he's still .500 Nothing has changed other than his fantasy stats.
    lets see, we have one of the worst pass defense's in the league and a mediocre running game. the areas where we are better is possibly receiver and DL.

    brees had LT in his prime
    EHHHHHHH! Wrong BaphO the Clown, Rivers had Tomlinson in his prime. He also had/ has a HoF TE, had sproles in his prime, Had vincent Jackson, had Michael Turner, etc, etc, etc,. Are you really trying to sit there and say the teams Brees had are anywhere close to what Rivers has had in SD? Are you smoking your good stuff tonight or just enjoying the taste of the bullcrap tumbling from your face?

    saying that brees is a better QB than rivers is indeed an opinion dude ROFL!!
    Only in your head.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    freeney was the only true threat on this team, hell yes he has been double teamed. i don't know how much compared to watt but he has been for sure, even weddle has mentioned it before just off the top of my head.

    yes i watch my team play, its clear you do not.
    Dude, I saw Freeney more often than not getting handled by one dude and maybe a chip block. Any double team he had was an unnecessary waste of a hat on a player that used to be good and clearly wasn't anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    freeney was the only true threat on this team, hell yes he has been double teamed. i don't know how much compared to watt but he has been for sure, even weddle has mentioned it before just off the top of my head.

    yes i watch my team play, its clear you do not.
    FREENEY 2 tackles , .5 sacks, 1 pass defensed
    WATT 25 tackles, 3.5 sacks, 3 passes defensed

    Your right baphs they both habe the same impact!

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