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Brady has played 15 seasons. In 9 of them he has made the championship game. In 6 of them he has played in the SB...The first QB to do that... winning 3 so far. He is making the SB nearly every other year, on average. That's pretty unbelievably impressive. That really isn't the definition of a choker........ Has Manning even come close to that? I didn't think so.
Another unreal Brady stat, with the exception of the year he got hurt (2008), there has never been a period of 3 consecutive years where Brady has failed to reach the Super Bowl
All of you guys out there that take great pleasue in Manning's failures (real or imagined): You must WANT him to keep playing right? What fun would it be for you should he retire? It seems a bit duplicitous.
I address non Bronco fans on this one.
All of you guys out there that take great pleasure in Manning's failures (real or imagined): You must WANT him to keep playing right? What fun would it be for you should he retire? It seems a bit duplicitous.
I address non Bronco fans on this one.
The last three years was Manning's last best shot. If Manning couldn't get it done then, he's not going to do it being a year older, a new system, and key players gone.
Consider:
Manning choked in his High School State Championship the only year he got there.
Manning choked in college all three years but the year after he left, Tee Martin managed to lead Tennessee to the National title.
16 of 17 years of Manning's NFL career he choked in the big game.
Now the Broncos are faced with 17 free agents and a new coach. Nothing against Manning, but I'm ready to move on.
The last three years was Manning's last best shot. If Manning couldn't get it done then, he's not going to do it being a year older, a new system, and key players gone.
Consider:
Manning choked in his High School State Championship the only year he got there.
Manning choked in college all three years but the year after he left, Tee Martin managed to lead Tennessee to the National title.
16 of 17 years of Manning's NFL career he choked in the big game.
Now the Broncos are faced with 17 free agents and a new coach. Nothing against Manning, but I'm ready to move on.
Agree would like to have Kubs set his offense with his QB whether it be OZ or someone else.
Brady has played 15 seasons. In 9 of them he has made the championship game. In 6 of them he has played in the SB...The first QB to do that... winning 3 so far. He is making the SB nearly every other year, on average. That's pretty unbelievably impressive. That really isn't the definition of a choker........ Has Manning even come close to that? I didn't think so.
So again, Brady doesn't have to win the Super Bowl, he just has to get there? Some people take the side of champsionship wins and others take the side of postseason wins so it's hard to determine what people value more. In my mind, what good is Brady's monster playoff record if he only has three rings to show for it? Considering how many times Brady has been in the playoffs, he only has three and Manning only one. If we're just going to boil it down to the postseason, the discussion should end because 3>1. But we all know that greatness isn't measured in Super Bowl wins. The postseason is definitely a factor, but not the only one. When Brady loses the Super Bowl twice, no one bats an eye. But when Manning loses the Super Bowl twice, everybody loses their minds!
So again, Brady doesn't have to win the Super Bowl, he just has to get there? Some people take the side of champsionship wins and others take the side of postseason wins so it's hard to determine what people value more. Considering how many times Brady has been in the playoffs, he only has three rings to show for it, Manning only one. If we're just going to boil it down to the postseason, the discussion should end because 3>1. But we all know that greatness isn't measured in Super Bowl wins. The postseason is definitely a factor, but not the only one. When Brady loses the Super Bowl twice, no one bats an eye. But when Manning loses the Super Bowl twice, everybody loses their minds!
Brady = 9 AFCC games. Manning = 9 one and outs.
Postseason record:
Brady, 15 seasons in the league: 20-8... 71.4%
manning 17 seasons in the league: 11-13.... 45.8%
Manning is not the GOAT. As of now that is Elway. If Brady wins another this year, unfortunately he would move to the top of the list. As of now it would be Elway, Montana, Brady, then maybe Manning. If Elway consistently had the support and rosters as talented as Manning's he would have far more rings. In fact the team of the last 3 years surpasses those of the 96, 97, 98 Broncos.
all u have to do is look at Bradys competitive attitude vs mannings 'i am not embarassed by losing 43-8' attitude and you can see why Brady can light a fire under his team vs manning always saying he's just disappointed... when losing, when did you ever see manning gathering his O together and giving them a tongue lashing to get them going... Brady does it almost every second half including when he plays us... thats why the Pats are a great 2nd half team and we are not... if manning is not rolling in the first half, he struggles the entire game... Brady is the GOAT, perhaps Montana but personally did not see him that many times... in the clutch, i take either... manning is so far down the list, he is just one of the best of all time... its not a debate... its clear...GOAT with 9 one and outs? its not a debate...
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