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    Quote Originally Posted by sgriffeth78 View Post
    Aside from holding my breath, and my heart rate pacing every time he was back to receive a kick or punt, he was fun to watch though. Gave us a home run threat we no longer have back there...
    Omar Bolden averaged 33 yards per kick return and had a 77 yarder. That's pretty good.
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    I remember him as a special teams coach for the Broncos in the Dan Reeves days. I believe he is also Dan Reeve's son in law.
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    I am disappointed they can't find someone who can take special teams work and make something of it. I will give Joe a chance to do that, but I'm not too optimistic here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    Omar Bolden averaged 33 yards per kick return and had a 77 yarder. That's pretty good.
    Agreed that is pretty good, but comparing those stats of Holidays stats:

    2013 KR Average: 27.7 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 8.5 with a long of 81 (TD)
    2012 KR Average: 32.5 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 10.8 with a long of 76 (TD)

    Comparable by average yards of return but not in TD's. 4 in 2 seasons. I was thinking he had more than that but these are stats from NFL.com so I guess not.

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    I think the biggest dilemma fans here have is that if we don't hire a "sexy" named coach that the one we do get is a failure. We have to remember, who's really available? We learned or are learning from the Joseph fiasco that not all coaches are available, especially those currently employed. And those who aren't, well there's a reason for that. Wade Phillips seems to be a hot name now for DC on these boards, but he's unemployed for a reason. Right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    Omar Bolden averaged 33 yards per kick return and had a 77 yarder. That's pretty good.
    Bolden was impressive this year. Baring a return specialist I think KRs are Bolden's to lose.

    Any idea about Norwood?

    Quote Originally Posted by sgriffeth78 View Post
    Agreed that is pretty good, but comparing those stats of Holidays stats:

    2013 KR Average: 27.7 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 8.5 with a long of 81 (TD)
    2012 KR Average: 32.5 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 10.8 with a long of 76 (TD)

    Comparable by average yards of return but not in TD's. 4 in 2 seasons. I was thinking he had more than that but these are stats from NFL.com so I guess not.
    Not to argue, but what was Holiday's fumble / muffed catch / bad fair catch ratio?

    We will agree on he fact that when he had room to run he was exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by johntbronco View Post
    I am disappointed they can't find someone who can take special teams work and make something of it. I will give Joe a chance to do that, but I'm not too optimistic here.
    I am not sure what everyone really thinks is available to be the ST coach, it is like the most thankless job in the coaching staff. Seriously, at least everyone else has a position and can just concentrate on fundamentals and techniques for their guys and has priority for the players. ST gets a mish-mash of guys who all would rather play with the first-string unit and are all obviously not talented enough to play on the first-string unit. That is why you just get a lot of recycled ST coaches, it is a thankless position.

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    My first choice for STs coach would have been Keith Armstrong (Falcons) but it looks like he will be retained by Dan Quinn and then my other choice was Brad Seely who left the 49ers and signed with the Raiders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    Second team Backers, DBs, RBs, TEs, FBs (If a team has them) and the LS are the heart and soul of KO, KOR, P and PR teams. It must be a little tricky to activate those needed.

    The HC is responsible for scheduling practices. How much time do STs get each week? How many reps could KO, KOR, P, PR and XPA/FGA get in one practice? Four of those need a full field. Do you practice them full speed, full contact?

    I think there is variation in how much attention is devoted to STs from one head coach to another. George Allen was a pioneer in this area and wrote a book about it.
    Do you know the name of the book offhand? I'm a long time special teams coach and would love to read it.

    I agree about the time spent on these things, I coach a community team in the spring where I get 40 minutes the day before the game to work on specials, and trying to get time to install them early in camp is like pulling teeth. I've done it long enough where I know the important things I need to focus on in that time and we're usually good on specials but I'm never real confident in what we're going to see, at least early in the season.

    However in the fall when I coach HS ball I'm given 15 minutes a day during spring camp, 30 minutes a day during the first week of main camp and then 15 minutes every practice during the season with 30 minutes to walk through everything the day before the game. Because of this time I've got adjustments for things we might one day see in at least a week before our first game, we'll run full units if we need work on that or I'll get us doing various drills to just sharpen skills or during the season if we're going against a team that's going to do something unorthodox I never worry because I know I've got the time to work on it and have our guys prepared. During the fall our specials are usually excellent, and I'm always fairly confident that we'll win in that phase of the game.

    It's not a full third of the game like people say, but it is a big part and if specials can get you that first first down every punt return and they can limit the other team every time you punt (as examples) you're putting your offense and defense in better positions to be successful.

    To me it just makes sense to put time into specials...but I'm obviously biased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgriffeth78 View Post
    Agreed that is pretty good, but comparing those stats of Holidays stats:

    2013 KR Average: 27.7 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 8.5 with a long of 81 (TD)
    2012 KR Average: 32.5 and a long of 105 (TD) and PR Average 10.8 with a long of 76 (TD)

    Comparable by average yards of return but not in TD's. 4 in 2 seasons. I was thinking he had more than that but these are stats from NFL.com so I guess not.
    How do they compare in the fumble/fumble lost department?
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    So the ST coach from the 49ers wasn't a thought? I mean minus Tomsula their entire staff was available for the pickings.

    I have no knowledge of the 49ers special teams play but it couldn't have been as bad as ours and their coach(es) couldn't have been as under-thrilling as who we have now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Do you know the name of the book offhand? I'm a long time special teams coach and would love to read it.

    I agree about the time spent on these things, I coach a community team in the spring where I get 40 minutes the day before the game to work on specials, and trying to get time to install them early in camp is like pulling teeth. I've done it long enough where I know the important things I need to focus on in that time and we're usually good on specials but I'm never real confident in what we're going to see, at least early in the season.

    However in the fall when I coach HS ball I'm given 15 minutes a day during spring camp, 30 minutes a day during the first week of main camp and then 15 minutes every practice during the season with 30 minutes to walk through everything the day before the game. Because of this time I've got adjustments for things we might one day see in at least a week before our first game, we'll run full units if we need work on that or I'll get us doing various drills to just sharpen skills or during the season if we're going against a team that's going to do something unorthodox I never worry because I know I've got the time to work on it and have our guys prepared. During the fall our specials are usually excellent, and I'm always fairly confident that we'll win in that phase of the game.

    It's not a full third of the game like people say, but it is a big part and if specials can get you that first first down every punt return and they can limit the other team every time you punt (as examples) you're putting your offense and defense in better positions to be successful.

    To me it just makes sense to put time into specials...but I'm obviously biased.
    George Allen's Guide To Special Teams by George Herbert Allen

    You might also like the DVD Successful Football Coaching: Frank Beamer - Special Teams

    What you say about time allocated for STs practice is typically limited. An hour for the five would barely be enough time to do basic reps, not counting fake Punt and XPA/FGA plus how to defend them; onside kick and how to defend it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    George Allen's Guide To Special Teams by George Herbert Allen

    You might also like the DVD Successful Football Coaching: Frank Beamer - Special Teams

    What you say about time allocated for STs practice is typically limited. An hour for the five would barely be enough time to do basic reps, not counting fake Punt and XPA/FGA plus how to defend them; onside kick and how to defend it.
    Thanks, I'll look both of those up!

    I'm guessing no matter which special teams coordinator you talk to at any level they'll all tell you the same thing, they need more time! The amount I get at the HS I coach at is pretty good (ends up between 75-90 minutes per week) but even then there's always more I'd love to work on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Thanks, I'll look both of those up!

    I'm guessing no matter which special teams coordinator you talk to at any level they'll all tell you the same thing, they need more time! The amount I get at the HS I coach at is pretty good (ends up between 75-90 minutes per week) but even then there's always more I'd love to work on!
    The DVD is available on Netflix...I've watched it.

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    i think he was brought in mainly to get special teams offense/points... KO or PR, its a bonus weapon.... anyone remember Rick Upchurch? part of that is blocking schemes...

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