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    Patriots Respond to Wells Report

    http://wellsreportcontext.com/


    Interesting, not thinking this is going to help Tommy's appeal. The popcorn is getting better and better.
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    More crying from NE. It's what they do best.

    Well, except for that other thing (cheating). That's what they do best.

    So crying is what they do the second best.

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    The Patriot are holding out hope that legal terminology will save them. Up to and including this statement below they wont offer any clarification for what the "true meaning" of the context or circumstances were. They did address the "kicks" issue with an attempt at at passing it off as a simple kickback they(equipment guys) may/may not be able to give away.

    Bottom line is -speculation not explanation- is their defense.

    From the Pats response

    "McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a ---- balloon

    Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…

    This single text and the reference to “him” and “he,” which the investigators concluded must refer to Mr. Brady, is the lynchpin of the investigator’s conclusion that Mr. Brady was probably “generally aware” of a scheme to release air from the footballs. (pg. 78). There are two levels of speculation here. First is the speculation that the references are in fact a conversation Mr. Jastremski had with Mr. Brady and not with someone else. Second is the speculation that, even if it does refer to a conversation with Mr. Brady, any expressions of concern about Mr. McNally’s level of “stress” had to do with Mr. McNally’s improper deflation of footballs. Neither the sender nor the recipient of this text supported the report’s interpretation. Nor does the language of the text. Nor is there any other corroborative evidence.

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    Patriots Attorneys did address the "deflator" comment- said it was in reference to the guy trying to lose weight.

    Wow...unbelievable

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    The Patriot are holding out hope that legal terminology will save them. Up to and including this statement below they wont offer any clarification for what the "true meaning" of the context or circumstances were. They did address the "kicks" issue with an attempt at at passing it off as a simple kickback they(equipment guys) may/may not be able to give away.

    Bottom line is -speculation not explanation- is their defense.

    From the Pats response

    "McNally: Tom sucks…im going make that next ball a ---- balloon

    Jastremski: Talked to him last night. He actually brought you up and said you must have a lot of stress trying to get them done…

    This single text and the reference to “him” and “he,” which the investigators concluded must refer to Mr. Brady, is the lynchpin of the investigator’s conclusion that Mr. Brady was probably “generally aware” of a scheme to release air from the footballs. (pg. 78). There are two levels of speculation here. First is the speculation that the references are in fact a conversation Mr. Jastremski had with Mr. Brady and not with someone else. Second is the speculation that, even if it does refer to a conversation with Mr. Brady, any expressions of concern about Mr. McNally’s level of “stress” had to do with Mr. McNally’s improper deflation of footballs. Neither the sender nor the recipient of this text supported the report’s interpretation. Nor does the language of the text. Nor is there any other corroborative evidence.
    That's seriously all you got from it?

    What about the fact that the first and only time Brady was shown to have any concern about psi level was after the NYJ game when the ball was found to be at 16 psi (way over the limit?) Or the fact that Brady stated he wanted the ball to be at 13 psi?

    What about the fact that the Ideal Gas Law has been found to explain the deflation of the balls during the AFCCG? In case you can find it on the site, here is the conclusion of a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry: http://wellsreportcontext.com/mackin...ic-conclusion/

    Your response just proves that you guys are not interested in the facts. You're looking for any reason to hate against Brady.

    No wonder you guys fell for that high school report from Wells.

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Patriots Attorneys did address the "deflator" comment- said it was in reference to the guy trying to lose weight.

    Wow...unbelievable
    Read the Nov 30 text please.

    "Give somebody that jacket" makes no sense in a PSI scheme. It makes sense if a guy is dropping weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLPDE View Post
    That's seriously all you got from it?

    What about the fact that the first and only time Brady was shown to have any concern about psi level was after the NYJ game when the ball was found to be at 16 psi (way over the limit?) Or the fact that Brady stated he wanted the ball to be at 13 psi?

    What about the fact that the Ideal Gas Law has been found to explain the deflation of the balls during the AFCCG? In case you can find it in the report, here is the conclusion of a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry: http://wellsreportcontext.com/mackin...ic-conclusion/

    Your response just proves that you guys are not interested in the facts. You're looking for any reason to hate against Brady.

    No wonder you guys fell for that high school report from Wells.
    Sorry friend-

    Your response and the (expected) one from the Patriots is one of "prove it". The Patriots were notified of the investigation and the preliminary findings on Jan 19th. Their response since then and up till now was give as little info and dont clarify.

    You tell me why they are taking this stance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLPDE View Post
    That's seriously all you got from it?

    What about the fact that the first and only time Brady was shown to have any concern about psi level was after the NYJ game when the ball was found to be at 16 psi (way over the limit?) Or the fact that Brady stated he wanted the ball to be at 13 psi?

    What about the fact that the Ideal Gas Law has been found to explain the deflation of the balls during the AFCCG? In case you can find it on the site, here is the conclusion of a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry: http://wellsreportcontext.com/mackin...ic-conclusion/

    Your response just proves that you guys are not interested in the facts. You're looking for any reason to hate against Brady.

    No wonder you guys fell for that high school report from Wells.
    yes sir that explains exactly why it was only the Patriots balls that were deflated,
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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Sorry friend-

    Your response and the (expected) one from the Patriots is one of "prove it". The Patriots were notified of the investigation and the preliminary findings on Jan 19th. Their response since then and up till now was give as little info and dont clarify.

    You tell me why they are taking this stance?
    Are you going to address either of the things from the site that I brought up? Or are you going to just pretend that the deflation levels can't be explained by the Ideal Gas Law, as has been concluded by a Nobel Laureate in Chemistry?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    yes sir that explains exactly why it was only the Patriots balls that were deflated,
    Not true. Colts balls deflated as well. Again, you did not read the report.

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    My God, this has gone from a black eye to for the Patriots to a mammoth embarrassment for the organization and their fans.

    Sometimes you're better off just taking your medicine and moving on. That's what the Pats should have done.

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    It's all about the free shoes and losing weight. Solid arguments if you ask me.

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    Also, to anyone still harping on about Brady not handing over his texts, there was no need to. Wells claimed that he only wanted the texts which pertained to the case - i.e. the texts between Brady and McNally and Jastremski. Well, they already had access to McNally and Jastremski phone records and the conversations between Brady and them. There was no new information that would have been gained that would have been relevant to the investigation if Brady had turned his texts over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socnorb11 View Post
    Wells' interpretation of the science, coupled with the texts, is obviously different than the Patriots. The Patsies obviously have an agenda here, as well.

    However, since the Patriots have a history of stellar behavior, let's give them the benefit of the doubt, shall we?
    Science in Wells report? Wells didn't even consider that which gauge was used was important.

    The Nobel Laureate is the one who came to the conclusion - not the Pats themselves.
    Last edited by NLPDE; 05-14-2015 at 09:46 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NLPDE View Post
    Not true. Colts balls deflated as well. Again, you did not read the report.
    You are one of many Patriots* fans who have flooded this message board and decided to weep over the "injustice" you feel your team has fallen victim to. I told someone else this -- it's okay to cry. Just don't cry here. Go do that somewhere else. We aren't interested.

    Everybody knows that Tommy Boy was trying to circumvent the rules because he believes he's above them. The Patriots* came away from Spygate with a slap on the wrist and the same can be said about this situation. The punishment could've and should've been far worse. Brady shouldn't have been allowed to play at all this year.

    Instead of complaining about it, NE fans ought to be counting their blessings, because once again the NFL shows that doing the right thing takes a backseat when dollars are involved. Awfully convenient that the report came out after the draft so that NE wouldn't lose any picks this year. And the four game suspension, which will probably get reduced anyway, is too convenient in that NE's fifth game of the year is against Indy.

    The NFL had an opportunity here and they pissed themselves yet again. Shame on them and shame on NE fans who believe their team is somehow the victim in all this.

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