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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo0730 View Post
    And I'm telling you, Elway will not make that decision.
    What makes you think so? My opinion is based off of Elways previous moves made during these 5 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mojo0730 View Post
    Unless we're losing, which I don't see happening especially with our defense.

    Why would you make such a drastic and significant change if this team is winning?
    Because yesterday, and any wins in our future like it, could very easily be losses of the defense doesn't play darn near perfect.

    If we continue to only win with perfect defense, Elway will make a change. He's far to smart to think that the D can't possibly have a bad game or two, and if Manning plays like he has for the last 10 months, he won't be capable of overcoming that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Then why keep Manning at 14 million? That's a pretty expensive security blanket if you're sure Os is the guy.
    Just like I've already said, you give the HOF the benefit of the doubt but you can't be afraid to pull the cord if he fails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa-pwn View Post
    Because yesterday, and any wins in our future like it, could very easily be losses of the defense doesn't play darn near perfect.

    If we continue to only win with perfect defense, Elway will make a change. He's far to smart to think that the D can't possibly have a bad game or two, and if Manning plays like he has for the last 10 months, he won't be capable of overcoming that.
    We won't beat teams like GB and NE if we play like we did Sunday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash123go View Post
    Just like I've already said, you give the HOF the benefit of the doubt but you can't be afraid to pull the cord if he fails.
    But you've stated that Os can make all the plays that Manning can't. And yet, there are absolutely no whispers of a QB controversy. That has to mean something doesn't it? Again, Elway is in win now mode, why is Manning the entrenched starter if he isn't the best option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    But you've stated that Os can make all the plays that Manning can't. And yet, there are absolutely no whispers of a QB controversy. That has to mean something doesn't it? Again, Elway is in win now mode, why is Manning the entrenched starter if he isn't the best option?
    Wow. You need to put yourself in the FO's shoes. Listen. Your job is on the line, you give Manning the benefit of the doubt that he turns it around. He's earned that. However, if things continue to look terrible from him, you make the change. He deserves a few games of terrible play before the FO is convinced that he won't get any better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    But you've stated that Os can make all the plays that Manning can't. And yet, there are absolutely no whispers of a QB controversy. That has to mean something doesn't it? Again, Elway is in win now mode, why is Manning the entrenched starter if he isn't the best option?
    Whispers? You mean like hiring a head coach whose been open in the past about not wanting Peyton Manning and runs a system that doesn't mesh with Manning but does with Osweiler, trade acquisitions, a pay cut, and then giving your 24 year old 2nd round QB equal TC reps and more preseason reps. Not to mention that Manning was told by Elway and Kubiak that Osweiler will see the field of Manning is hurt our we're up big. That doesn't exactly sound like complete confidence.

    Think about every job for an NFL team; players, coaches, FO, GM's. They're jobs that end with you being fired, 90% of these jobs don't end with a person quitting. Everyone's job is on the line, even Elway's if we don't win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crash123go View Post
    Whispers? You mean like hiring a head coach whose been open in the past about not wanting Peyton Manning and runs a system that doesn't mesh with Manning but does with Osweiler, trade acquisitions, a pay cut, and then giving your 24 year old 2nd round QB equal TC reps and more preseason reps. Not to mention that Manning was told by Elway and Kubiak that Osweiler will see the field of Manning is hurt our we're up big. That doesn't exactly sound like complete confidence.

    Think about every job for an NFL team; players, coaches, FO, GM's. They're jobs that end with you being fired, 90% of these jobs don't end with a person quitting. Everyone's job is on the line, even Elway's if we don't win.
    And yet with all these jobs on the line, Manning is the starter. They didn't have a problem telling HOF Bailey he wasn't good enough to be CB but he could try to be a Safety. The infatuation with Os is intriguing, what are you basing it off of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    And yet with all these jobs on the line, Manning is the starter. They didn't have a problem telling HOF Bailey he wasn't good enough to be CB but he could try to be a Safety. The infatuation with Os is intriguing, what are you basing it off of?
    Oz's draft status, his relationship with John Elway, Elways draft history, Mannings play from week 6 of last year to now, and Oz's improved play from the last 3 years.

    Bailey hit the cliff with the Lis Franc injury. Manning was given the benefit of the doubt because he was declining when the leg injuries hit. If Manning really has hit the cliff then why continue to start him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash123go View Post
    Oz's draft status, his relationship with John Elway, Elways draft history, Mannings play from week 6 of last year to now, and Oz's improved play from the last 3 years.
    Improved play against who? And I remember when he was drafted that it was a project pick. I just don't see it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    Improved play against who? And I remember when he was drafted that it was a project pick. I just don't see it.
    His preseason play this year compared to last year shows that he is greatly improved. He also looked way better this year during training camp. So yes, I'd say he has definitely improved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash123go View Post
    Not saying he wouldn't have. At least he wouldn't have fell on the ground to avoid getting hit.
    you have nothing to back that statement up. just your dislike of Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crash123go View Post
    Because Brock can put the ball anywhere on the field, he can thread passes into windows that Manning can't, can stay in the pocket longer because he doesn't have to step into a throw to make a throw past 10 yards. And the biggest part, we're paying Manning 15 million dollars for what was bottom 5 QB performance on Sunday.

    Every single QB makes mistakes, Brock will make a lot of them just like every QB to ever play the game. But at this point he has a higher chance of making a play that Manning can't anymore.

    the pocket collapsed fast. yesterday because of their rush and blitzes.

    Your statement is without merit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garfield View Post
    the pocket collapsed fast. yesterday because of their rush and blitzes.

    Your statement is without merit.
    The pocket didn't collapse much more than other teams, or even much more than he's used to.

    He was pressured on 30% of pass plays, 13 QBs were pressured more on Sunday. 4 had yet to play. He was pressured on 21% of pass plays last year. 9% isn't a small number, but it isn't massive. Also, again, he was nowhere near the most pressured QB in the league yesterday, but he was very close to playing like the worst one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bronco51 View Post
    And yet with all these jobs on the line, Manning is the starter. They didn't have a problem telling HOF Bailey he wasn't good enough to be CB but he could try to be a Safety. The infatuation with Os is intriguing, what are you basing it off of?
    It has been my observation that its really not about O's they just dont want Manning no matter what.

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