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    Wow. Their GM just said he wasn't going to mortgage the future over a move for today. So much for that idea. The only way they didn't give up too much imo is if they win the SB this year. I wouldn't bet on that. Then what happens next year if Teddy is better and they have about the same or slightly better results with Bradford. I know it was a heck of a blow to lose Teddy like that, but I'd be pissed if I was a Vikings fan. I'd almost think their GM trained with the Browns. But then again, I think this move makes the Browns moves look great. Just my opinion though.
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    Perhaps Teddy's injury is worse than people think and he may not be ready to go next season even.

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    I also think they over paid. But I look at it like this, Norv Turner is one of the best OC's in the game today. He's like Wade Phillips, but on offense. He knows exactly what he wanted and Sam fit the bill. They have a very good OL, some talented young receivers, and an AP with plenty of gas left in the tank.

    Sam is not the turnover machine that a guy like Sanchez is. He knows that a solid season means a huge payday from a number of teams that will be QB poor next season, like the Jets, 49ers, Cards, Saints, Browns, etc....... And he has a minimal cap impact. The Eagles did all the heavy lifting in that regard. And he was the best QB available. As long as he stays healthy, they will still make a deep playoff run. And that stability and confidence for the team would justify the high price paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flosstein View Post
    I also think they over paid. But I look at it like this, Norv Turner is one of the best OC's in the game today. He's like Wade Phillips, but on offense. He knows exactly what he wanted and Sam fit the bill. They have a very good OL, some talented young receivers, and an AP with plenty of gas left in the tank.

    Sam is not the turnover machine that a guy like Sanchez is. He knows that a solid season means a huge payday from a number of teams that will be QB poor next season, like the Jets, 49ers, Cards, Saints, Browns, etc....... And he has a minimal cap impact. The Eagles did all the heavy lifting in that regard. And he was the best QB available. As long as he stays healthy, they will still make a deep playoff run. And that stability and confidence for the team would justify the high price paid.
    The cardinals just signed Palmer to an extension I'm pretty sure. So, they shouldn't be added to the list of teams looking to pay some qb next year. Maybe draft one as the qb of the future. But, I agree with you on the rest of your post.

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    this is the state of QB's in the NFL right now, yes they over-paid but any starting quality QB's are getting a kings ransom this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    this is the state of QB's in the NFL right now, yes they over-paid but any starting quality QB's are getting a kings ransom this year.
    Which would be an excellent point, if Bradford were starting quality. Potential game manager status is not worth a fourth, not counting the first. NFL really needs to start its own development league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cladyfan View Post
    Which would be an excellent point, if Bradford were starting quality. Potential game manager status is not worth a fourth, not counting the first. NFL really needs to start its own development league.
    There has also been talk of an academy where developmental players would be coached and provide a pool from which each team could sign.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    There has also been talk of an academy where developmental players would be coached and provide a pool from which each team could sign.
    It would certainly help. At this point, I feel like the NFL's lack of action is what will destroy the game, not medical issues. Either they need to do something like this, or give college teams incentive to not go with all this spread offense type garbage.

    Dont get me wrong, new offense types are dandy, but we're getting players in the league who cant do the most basic parts of their jobs, and its really, really bad on oline and qb. If all the NFL does is focus on offense, and not even good offense I worry it will turn into a watered down version of the NBA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cladyfan View Post
    Which would be an excellent point, if Bradford were starting quality. Potential game manager status is not worth a fourth, not counting the first. NFL really needs to start its own development league.
    Don't understand this comment. Bradford is easily starting quality. Now he has to be available to start. But when he is actually playing, he is always good enough to start for someone.

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    Wow. The Eagles GM just pulled off the heist of the month.

    Unfortunately he was the victim of this year's heist of the year =|

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksubroncosfan View Post
    Don't understand this comment. Bradford is easily starting quality. Now he has to be available to start. But when he is actually playing, he is always good enough to start for someone.
    Totally agree. While I'm not a fan of his by any stretch, his issue is actually staying on the field. I don't think he's played a full season since being drafted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flosstein View Post
    Totally agree. While I'm not a fan of his by any stretch, his issue is actually staying on the field. I don't think he's played a full season since being drafted.
    Looking at these stats: http://www.nfl.com/player/sambradfor...95/careerstats he's average at best, and both you and ksu nailed why he isnt even worth a 4th. You're worthless riding pine and actually hurt your team when you're the qb and supposed to be a team leader yet cant actually do it. Further still is his hissy fit following the draft which proves even more in my opinion that he isnt a leader. Eagles GM just destroyed the Vikings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cladyfan View Post
    Looking at these stats: http://www.nfl.com/player/sambradfor...95/careerstats he's average at best, and both you and ksu nailed why he isnt even worth a 4th. You're worthless riding pine and actually hurt your team when you're the qb and supposed to be a team leader yet cant actually do it. Further still is his hissy fit following the draft which proves even more in my opinion that he isnt a leader. Eagles GM just destroyed the Vikings.
    Stats aren't everything. He's never had a good offense around him. I bet you if he plays all 16 games, he will be the most efficient of his career this year. Although, he will probably struggle at first since he has a week to learn everything for them. But, I do agree he isn't worth that based on his injury proned history for sure.

    Disclaimer: this isn't me saying that Bradford is this great qb. I just think he can match Teddy's just slightly above average qb play last year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    I believe the Vikes and all their supporters thought this was going to be the year. A nice blend of strong D and multiple offensive weapons. With Teddy going down for the entire season, they did not like what they had, so they made a move to get a QB that has sufficient experience and reasonable upside. A guy that many had rated "can't miss" when he came out of college. In return, they give up a 1st next season and a 4th beyond, but if all goes well, it will be a late 1st......still a big sacrifice.

    Compare to what we have. We have a better D, but we don't have AP. Some of their young guns are exciting as well. So when we say that all Trevor has to do......The Vikes are saying the same thing, but for a proven entity. So in that sense, they are very much in the hunt, if we are.

    Bold move. Might be a great move. Might not.
    I can understand the upside of this for the Vikings, and he might be better than Teddy Bridgewater. What I don't understand though is that people are so hot on Bradford. When we compare to what Tebow did in his limited amount of games in Denver, he made a bigger impact on the team, got it further, won more games, had fewer turnovers, more TD's, and produced the same amount of 4th Q and game winning drives in 14 games as Bradford has produced in 6 years as a starter.

    It flabbergasts me that results caount for so little. When TT started in Denver the average gain by Willis went up something like 60% over what it was with Orton handling the ball, and I could only imagine what it could have looked like with Adrian Petersen instead of Willis McGahee.

    I sure hope that our current crop of QB's take more from the bite and scratch that Elway, Plummer and Tebow stood for, than the polished stuff that we had with Griese and Orton.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksubroncosfan View Post
    Stats aren't everything. He's never had a good offense around him. I bet you if he plays all 16 games, he will be the most efficient of his career this year. Although, he will probably struggle at first since he has a week to learn everything for them. But, I do agree he isn't worth that based on his injury proned history for sure.

    Disclaimer: this isn't me saying that Bradford is this great qb. I just think he can match Teddy's just slightly above average qb play last year.
    Again, I totally agree! With all the pieces that they have in MIN, as long as he can stay on the field and not commit costly turnovers, they can continue to compete for the division. As this will by fa be the best team, FO, and coaching staff he's been a part of since he was drafted. I'm not expecting him to be Aaron Rogers, but I expect at least Alex Smith level production.

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