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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    I don't understand this mentality. He knew a drug test was coming...yet still did weed. What kind of stupidity is that?
    lol I always ask myself that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheAsianPA View Post
    I don't understand this mentality. He knew a drug test was coming...yet still did weed. What kind of stupidity is that?
    He did not test positive for weed. He did not test positive for any drug. It was a dilute sample, which means there were large amounts of water in his body when the sample was collected. The NFL and NFLPA have an agreement that dilute samples will be treated as a failed test because, usually, it's an attempt to obscure a positive test.

    However, if Foster was indeed ill and drank too much water trying to keep his weight, he might not have any drug abuse issues despite this dilute sample being considered a failed test.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Rod- View Post
    He did not test positive for weed. He did not test positive for any drug. It was a dilute sample, which means there were large amounts of water in his body when the sample was collected. The NFL and NFLPA have an agreement that dilute samples will be treated as a failed test because, usually, it's an attempt to obscure a positive test.

    However, if Foster was indeed ill and drank too much water trying to keep his weight, he might not have any drug abuse issues despite this dilute sample being considered a failed test.
    ok, did not know that. In that case it probably won't affect his stock that much then if it was not actually positive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Rod- View Post
    He did not test positive for weed. He did not test positive for any drug. It was a dilute sample, which means there were large amounts of water in his body when the sample was collected. The NFL and NFLPA have an agreement that dilute samples will be treated as a failed test because, usually, it's an attempt to obscure a positive test.

    However, if Foster was indeed ill and drank too much water trying to keep his weight, he might not have any drug abuse issues despite this dilute sample being considered a failed test.
    He did go from the 240's to 229.so its possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Rod- View Post
    He did not test positive for weed. He did not test positive for any drug. It was a dilute sample, which means there were large amounts of water in his body when the sample was collected. The NFL and NFLPA have an agreement that dilute samples will be treated as a failed test because, usually, it's an attempt to obscure a positive test.

    However, if Foster was indeed ill and drank too much water trying to keep his weight, he might not have any drug abuse issues despite this dilute sample being considered a failed test.
    You'd imagine someone that was THAT sick would drink something with electrolytes like OJ or Gatorade instead of water. Gatorade is isotonic to the body, meaning that it's a solution having the same osmotic pressure as the solution in our body (blood), so had he drank gatorade or orange juice, he wouldn't have yielded a dilute sample. I'm sorry, but i'm calling fluff on this excuse and this says a lot about his character.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bterres105 View Post
    You'd imagine someone that was THAT sick would drink something with electrolytes like OJ or Gatorade instead of water. Gatorade is isotonic to the body, meaning that it's a solution having the same osmotic pressure as the solution in our body (blood), so had he drank gatorade or orange juice, he wouldn't have yielded a dilute sample. I'm sorry, but i'm calling fluff on this excuse and this says a lot about his character.
    Thought it said he drank water and Gatorade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncoslover115 View Post
    Thought it said he drank water and Gatorade.
    To be honest, I didn't read his lame excuse because he's so full of it. Water and Gatorade would've made him urinate less and his urine would've been more concentrated if that were the case
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    I think you give the kid a pass on this failed drug test. My biggest issue is that if the sample is diluted, get the kid back in and have him pass another test. I know there are lots of players tested at the combine but processing urine is not rocket science or a lengthy procedure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua2585 View Post
    I thought Ray was a top 10? Per his NFL draft profile, it states he was a top 10 pick, but the negative buzz had him falling out of the first round. I think that was Mayock's final mock right before the draft, which would have been post-drug issue. I could be wrong though.

    Rueben Foster has some serious issues. He'll come into the league already on the substance abuse program... 1 misstep and your 1st rounder turns into a suspension. Same thing happened to Ray. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Rueben fell to 20+

    Shane Ray didn't have the associated attitude issues that Foster has. He is racking up a series of issues, all right before the draft. Really bad for him.
    I agree with this. It is also important to note that his issues are all right in the middle and right before the combine and the draft. He knew he was being evaluated and yet he went off the rails anyways....what will happen to him once more money is added into the equation? - teams will wonder the same thing I am sure.

    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    What was it diluted with? I once "failed" a drug test due to dilution but it was just water because I drank so much water.
    Possible sure but I am seeing some on here claim that he had a dilute sample and that the sample provided was not a large one....if his story is that he drank sooo much water he would have peed enough to likely fill up a cup 1.5 times over....now if the rumors of a small sample size are just that rumors then I can agree with you and while idiotic on his part I am sure most teams wont even factor that into his draft position only that he will clearly need some hand-holding about how to take care of his busi

    Quote Originally Posted by Al Wilson 4 Mayor View Post
    I might be confused. I thought we got him at 17.
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    Now it is my turn to try and remember back....I believe this was the pick where we traded Ramirez to the Lions along with our 1st to move up.


    Quote Originally Posted by -Rod- View Post
    He did not test positive for weed. He did not test positive for any drug. It was a dilute sample, which means there were large amounts of water in his body when the sample was collected. The NFL and NFLPA have an agreement that dilute samples will be treated as a failed test because, usually, it's an attempt to obscure a positive test.

    However, if Foster was indeed ill and drank too much water trying to keep his weight, he might not have any drug abuse issues despite this dilute sample being considered a failed test.
    So then the real question is how does a dilute sample get so dilute? I thought the NFL had policies for this now to better support and prevent these tests from getting dilute? Even if Foster was ill and lost some weight I find it hard to believe that he dropped as much as he did sick or not. His weight was listed at 240 LBS and he weighed in at 229 LBS. When sick usually 1-4 lbs is an upper limit not 10-11 lbs. The other thing that a dilute sample tells me, assuming he's actually telling me the truth, is that he does not know enough to put the right people around him. For example Zach Banner was on NFL Network the other day and he indicated that he knew he needed to ensure he kept his weight and conditioning at an elite level. So his plan of execution was to reach out and hire a personal chef who has worked with other NFL players. HE has continued to keep his muscle and fitness level up while continuing to find better ways of keeping his weight in the right range for the NFL. I would say his approach was/is the exact opposite of Foster's. He knew his weakness and that he was being evaluated so the first thing he did was reach out and put the right people around him.

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    One other thing which I thought was interesting and I was wondering if this might make some sense. If a player wants to go to a team which wins being drafted higher is not a great thing. Based on my numbers I found from 2016:

    2016 NFL Draft 1st Round Rookie Salary Projections:

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    TOTAL CONTRACT
    SIGNING BONUS
    1
    Rams
    Jared Goff $27,946,656 $18,515,839
    2
    Eagles
    Carson Wentz $26,685,484 $17,598,623
    3
    Chargers
    Joey Bosa $25,882,931 $17,014,947
    4
    Cowboys
    Ezekiel Elliott $24,965,720 $16,347,885
    5
    Jaguars
    Jalen Ramsey $23,360,590 $15,180,521
    6
    Ravens
    Ronnie Stanely $20,494,304 $13,095,946
    7
    49ers
    Deforest Buckner $18,201,276 $11,428,289
    8
    Titans
    Jack Conklin $15,908,248 $9,760,632
    9
    Bears
    Leonard Floyd $15,793,589 $9,677,246
    10
    Giants
    Eli Apple $15,163,008 $9,218,640
    11
    Buccaneers
    Vernon Hargreaves $14,188,465 $8,509,882
    12
    Saints
    Sheldon Rankins $12,812,638 $7,509,284
    13
    Dolphins
    Laremy Tunsil $12,468,695 $7,259,143
    14
    Raiders
    Karl Joseph $11,895,437 $6,842,185
    15
    Browns
    Corey Coleman $11,666,134 $6,675,459
    16
    Lions
    Taylor Decker $10,978,226 $6,175,162
    17
    Falcons
    Keanu Neal $10,748,913 $6,008,393
    18
    Colts
    Ryan Kelly $10,462,293 $5,799,939
    19
    Bills
    Shaq Lawson $10,290,318 $5,674,865
    20
    Jets
    Darron Lee $10,232,990 $5,633,174

    Numbers above were pulled from here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbe.../#712b14c516b8

    The difference between a 1- 10 and 10-20 pick is about 10-17 million over the life span of the players contract. Now if you look at those numbers from a short-sited perspective then you say to heck with that I want to go higher and make more. The issue with that is unless you can overcome what will inevitably be poor play around you and shine you will likely not get the second even larger contract you're looking for. The way you do that is by playing for a better team with better players. So you have to wonder if and this is a big IF fosters agent has determined that Foster would prefer to win more games and make a little less and that is why the dilute sample issue came out so far after the combine?

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    I get the privacy issue but in all honesty why not tell the guys we are having a person in the room when you give the sample. These guys are poked prodded and everything else, that seems like a sure way to prevent the dilute sample or not enough sample debate.

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    Simple answer just do a blood or hair test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    Simple answer just do a blood or hair test.
    Totally agree. Blood tests would clear up a lot of concerns

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    Quote Originally Posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    Simple answer just do a blood or hair test.
    3/4 of the league would be suspended if they did a hair test. That stuff is in your hair for 6 months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_C View Post
    One other thing which I thought was interesting and I was wondering if this might make some sense. If a player wants to go to a team which wins being drafted higher is not a great thing. Based on my numbers I found from 2016:

    2016 NFL Draft 1st Round Rookie Salary Projections:

    PICK
    TEAM
    PLAYER
    TOTAL CONTRACT
    SIGNING BONUS
    1
    Rams
    Jared Goff $27,946,656 $18,515,839
    2
    Eagles
    Carson Wentz $26,685,484 $17,598,623
    3
    Chargers
    Joey Bosa $25,882,931 $17,014,947
    4
    Cowboys
    Ezekiel Elliott $24,965,720 $16,347,885
    5
    Jaguars
    Jalen Ramsey $23,360,590 $15,180,521
    6
    Ravens
    Ronnie Stanely $20,494,304 $13,095,946
    7
    49ers
    Deforest Buckner $18,201,276 $11,428,289
    8
    Titans
    Jack Conklin $15,908,248 $9,760,632
    9
    Bears
    Leonard Floyd $15,793,589 $9,677,246
    10
    Giants
    Eli Apple $15,163,008 $9,218,640
    11
    Buccaneers
    Vernon Hargreaves $14,188,465 $8,509,882
    12
    Saints
    Sheldon Rankins $12,812,638 $7,509,284
    13
    Dolphins
    Laremy Tunsil $12,468,695 $7,259,143
    14
    Raiders
    Karl Joseph $11,895,437 $6,842,185
    15
    Browns
    Corey Coleman $11,666,134 $6,675,459
    16
    Lions
    Taylor Decker $10,978,226 $6,175,162
    17
    Falcons
    Keanu Neal $10,748,913 $6,008,393
    18
    Colts
    Ryan Kelly $10,462,293 $5,799,939
    19
    Bills
    Shaq Lawson $10,290,318 $5,674,865
    20
    Jets
    Darron Lee $10,232,990 $5,633,174

    Numbers above were pulled from here: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonbe.../#712b14c516b8

    The difference between a 1- 10 and 10-20 pick is about 10-17 million over the life span of the players contract. Now if you look at those numbers from a short-sited perspective then you say to heck with that I want to go higher and make more. The issue with that is unless you can overcome what will inevitably be poor play around you and shine you will likely not get the second even larger contract you're looking for. The way you do that is by playing for a better team with better players. So you have to wonder if and this is a big IF fosters agent has determined that Foster would prefer to win more games and make a little less and that is why the dilute sample issue came out so far after the combine?
    Interesting theory. But does it make sense to potentially damage your reputation in the process? Sometimes a damaged rep might be harder to overcome. Actually who am I kidding. You can pretty much do anything in the NFL and get drafted.

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