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    Quote Originally Posted by HUMCALC View Post
    I HATE Rex Ryan so much, that I can't accurately describe it
    Not healthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rst08tierney View Post
    Just remember at the end of the day, that man has a foot fetishe and a tattoo of his wife wearing a mark Sanchez jersey on his arm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksubroncosfan View Post
    Not healthy.
    That is the least of my health issues
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    Quote Originally Posted by HUMCALC View Post
    That is the least of my health issues
    Genuinely sorry to hear that. Not knowing anything beyond the above post regarding your health, I hope it's nothing unmanageable and that your life isn't impacted too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    He's an analyst who gave his opinion, why is that a big deal? It seems to be the view out there right now that Siemian is a backup QB. That's not to say he won't become a great starter, and at that point the media probably showers him with praise. But right now he seems to be viewed as a guy who had the job, not the longterm answer.
    The problem isn't Ryan's opinion, but rather that he didn't seem to give much thought to it.

    His answer was basically that Lynch is a 1st round pick so need to start him.

    Now, while it may be true that the Broncos eventually will need to see what they have in Lynch, you just don't throw in QB on a team the GM and HC both believe can contend for a division title on the basis of nothing else than being a 1st round pick.

    Also, let's keep in mind that Ryan was one of the masterminds in the Jets moving up in the draft and selecting Mark Sanchez.

    Joseph is doing the correct thing by having a QB competition.

    As for the view right now of Siemian being nothing more than a back-up QB, there have been a good bit more who have professed that Siemian has shown stuff where he can be a long term starter in the league.

    Start with the local talk show hosts/former players in Schlereth, Stokley and Polumbus.

    Then you have national analysts/former players/former front office guys like Ryan Clark, Merril Hoge and Louis RIddick (Riddick thinks that with a few more pieces around Trevor, that Broncos can contend for the AFC title on a regular basis).

    You also have former and current NFL coaches like Herm Edwards and Sean Payton who like Siemian and reportedly Kyle Shanahan spoke highly of Trevor in his interview.


    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    As for Lynch being far behind Siemian last season, the two key words in that are "last season" what happened last year doesn't matter, especially since the offense struggled as much as it did.
    Correct that was last season, and esp. with a new coaching staff and scheme, what happened last season does not matter.


    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    The fact that it's an open competition right now and not locked up despite "Siemian being far ahead of Lynch last season" appears to show that the separation isn't as big as many believe,
    Unlike what many thought, the separation btwn the 2 was pretty big last year.

    This season, if Lynch makes huge strides and comes within the ballpark of Siemian's knowledge and ability to read a defense, then he likely will win the starting job.

    But more likely will need another year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ac24 View Post
    The problem isn't Ryan's opinion, but rather that he didn't seem to give much thought to it.

    His answer was basically that Lynch is a 1st round pick so need to start him.

    Now, while it may be true that the Broncos eventually will need to see what they have in Lynch, you just don't throw in QB on a team the GM and HC both believe can contend for a division title on the basis of nothing else than being a 1st round pick.

    Also, let's keep in mind that Ryan was one of the masterminds in the Jets moving up in the draft and selecting Mark Sanchez.

    Joseph is doing the correct thing by having a QB competition.

    As for the view right now of Siemian being nothing more than a back-up QB, there have been a good bit more who have professed that Siemian has shown stuff where he can be a long term starter in the league.

    Start with the local talk show hosts/former players in Schlereth, Stokley and Polumbus.

    Then you have national analysts/former players/former front office guys like Ryan Clark, Merril Hoge and Louis RIddick (Riddick thinks that with a few more pieces around Trevor, that Broncos can contend for the AFC title on a regular basis).

    You also have former and current NFL coaches like Herm Edwards and Sean Payton who like Siemian and reportedly Kyle Shanahan spoke highly of Trevor in his interview.




    Correct that was last season, and esp. with a new coaching staff and scheme, what happened last season does not matter.




    Unlike what many thought, the separation btwn the 2 was pretty big last year.

    This season, if Lynch makes huge strides and comes within the ballpark of Siemian's knowledge and ability to read a defense, then he likely will win the starting job.

    But more likely will need another year.
    And everything mentioned in the first part is opinion. That's it. It doesn't make it fact because someone believes something. Ultimately the battle will play out however it does because of the players performing on the field or not performing and the coaching staff being comfortable with them.

    The views of Rex Ryan, Brandon Stokely, Polumbus etc. don't matter in any way. They're all analysts, they give their opinion when asked or required, but none of them saying anything will change how things play out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    And everything mentioned in the first part is opinion. That's it. It doesn't make it fact because someone believes something. Ultimately the battle will play out however it does because of the players performing on the field or not performing and the coaching staff being comfortable with them.

    The views of Rex Ryan, Brandon Stokely, Polumbus etc. don't matter in any way. They're all analysts, they give their opinion when asked or required, but none of them saying anything will change how things play out.
    And there is also nothing wrong with people discussing his opinions and views. No one is saying this is going to sway the team or have an impact on the outcome. It's a discussion on a discussion board.

    Why is it such a big deal that people have a discussion on a discussion board?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    And there is also nothing wrong with people discussing his opinions and views. No one is saying this is going to sway the team or have an impact on the outcome. It's a discussion on a discussion board.

    Why is it such a big deal that people have a discussion on a discussion board?
    Because most people don't like to be contradicted, even when they know they're wrong
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    I am more interested to know if they will force him to wear a sport coat or if he'll don a sweater from the Ryan collection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HUMCALC View Post
    Because most people don't like to be contradicted, even when they know they're wrong
    Actually it's about the fact that all of this leads back to the QB debate. We have more than enough topics on that. People will view a certain analyst and their opinion based on whether they like what they're saying. We all do it, I'm just as guilty as anyone.

    Would the same people be upset if Rex Ryan had said that Siemian should be given the job without competition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    And there is also nothing wrong with people discussing his opinions and views. No one is saying this is going to sway the team or have an impact on the outcome. It's a discussion on a discussion board.

    Why is it such a big deal that people have a discussion on a discussion board?

    Interesting, but if someone has a view you disagree with, you give them a neg and say they're too emotional about things. Debate all you want, but the only reason various people are killing Rex Ryan here is because of the QB he named, if he had said the same thing about Siemian, some would be saying he's a genius....or less of a bonehead. Either way, it's just yet another way to debate the QBs, except this time people are using analysts views.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Debate all you want, but the only reason various people are killing Rex Ryan here is because of the QB he named
    Not really. It's an absurd idea either way. It's a new coaching staff, new system. We don't know how Siemian will perform in this offense. Paxton Lynch is a 1st-round pick. The expectation is that he has to play at some point. However, he has to earn it. So, the QBs have to compete.

    It's one thing to have a solid opinion that can be justified. Ryan called Siemian a "journeyman". First of all, he is factually incorrect there. That's not an opinion, it's a mistake, a misplaced term. Siemian can't be a journeyman because he's only in his 3rd offseason and has been with only one team in the NFL.

    Then, Ryan's justification to name Lynch the starter and end any competition is the status of a 1st-round pick. That was not factually incorrect. However, it's an opinion that makes no sense. There is a new coach promoting competition all over the roster. Siemian ended the season as the starter. All the other players are watching to see if the best players will play or if there will be any sense of entitlement. And you want to stop the competition at the most important position? Automatically replace last year's starter without making the other guy earn it? With everybody watching? It's hard to see the good reasoning there.

    Just like it would also be wrong to name Siemian the starter and don't give Lynch a chance when he's a 1st-round QB entering his 2nd year and everyone wants to see if he can step up and materialize his potential.
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    Quote Originally Posted by -Rod- View Post
    Not really. It's an absurd idea either way. It's a new coaching staff, new system. We don't know how Siemian will perform in this offense. Paxton Lynch is a 1st-round pick. The expectation is that he has to play at some point. However, he has to earn it. So, the QBs have to compete.

    It's one thing to have a solid opinion that can be justified. Ryan called Siemian a "journeyman". First of all, he is factually incorrect there. That's not an opinion, it's a mistake, a misplaced term. Siemian can't be a journeyman because he's only in his 3rd offseason and has been with only one team in the NFL.

    Then, Ryan's justification to name Lynch the starter and end any competition is the status of a 1st-round pick. That was not factually incorrect. However, it's an opinion that makes no sense. There is a new coach promoting competition all over the roster. Siemian ended the season as the starter. All the other players are watching to see if the best players will play or if there will be any sense of entitlement. And you want to stop the competition at the most important position? Automatically replace last year's starter without making the other guy earn it? With everybody watching? It's hard to see the good reasoning there.

    Just like it would also be wrong to name Siemian the starter and don't give Lynch a chance when he's a 1st-round QB entering his 2nd year and everyone wants to see if he can step up and materialize his potential.
    Don't try explaining your logic, you'll just get blamed for negs and people will complain about how biased you supposedly are because you don't share their mindset on bronco sports...

    Like you said, it's not really about which comment he named, it's about the fact that it's idiotic to just hand someone a job they haven't earned yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    And everything mentioned in the first part is opinion. That's it. It doesn't make it fact because someone believes something. Ultimately the battle will play out however it does because of the players performing on the field or not performing and the coaching staff being comfortable with them.

    The views of Rex Ryan, Brandon Stokely, Polumbus etc. don't matter in any way. They're all analysts, they give their opinion when asked or required, but none of them saying anything will change how things play out.
    Of course their opinions don't factor in the decision, but some opinions are more credible and/or are based on more substance.

    Stokley, Polumbus, etc. have not only studied game film, but have seen the QBs in practice, in addition to having sources on the team (where they hear things).

    Doubt Ryan has even looked at Broncos game film, much less seen the QBs live or have sources on the team.

    Yeah, it's his opinion, but he just threw something out there.
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    This makes me laugh still.

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