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  1. #541
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Slightly getting off topic here but I believe John Elway and Joe Eliss converge together.

    Meaning niether will be dismissed until a new owner has been established. In fact I donít believe a new owner would dismiss either unless that new owner was Beth Bowlen however that is unlikely.

    Elway will most likely step down on his own and his working relationship with Eliss will determine if that is sooner than later but it will be at his own accord.
    If Beth Bowlen fires Elway, she will immediately be hated by fans. I can't imagine this team ever firing not only yhe greatest Bronco ever, but the greatest athlete to ever play in Colorado. Imagine if the Colts someday fired Manning. Or the Patriots firing Brady.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMR81 View Post
    I am grateful for Peyton and what he brought to this organization. Elway said it himself, Peyton made it much much easier to sign players during his time here.
    Since then, he has done nothing but run the team into the ground.
    Can't even give a bit of credit to Elway, huh? Mkay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoBrennan89 View Post
    If Beth Bowlen fires Elway, she will immediately be hated by fans. I can't imagine this team ever firing not only yhe greatest Bronco ever, but the greatest athlete to ever play in Colorado. Imagine if the Colts someday fired Manning. Or the Patriots firing Brady.
    The Colts did fire Manning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoBrennan89 View Post
    If Beth Bowlen fires Elway, she will immediately be hated by fans. I can't imagine this team ever firing not only yhe greatest Bronco ever, but the greatest athlete to ever play in Colorado. Imagine if the Colts someday fired Manning. Or the Patriots firing Brady.
    If there are three more years of these same dismal results, most of the fanbase will be on board with just letting Elway's contract expire in 2021, no dramatic firing will even be necessary.
    Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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    Elway didn't call for an onside kick to start a game. Bush league coaching like I've never seen. Maybe it was Musgrave. But it wasn't John Elway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerontion View Post
    Can't even give a bit of credit to Elway, huh? Mkay.
    Correct, not until he shows he can run a team without a HOF QB on the field.
    Mkay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMR81 View Post
    Correct, not until he shows he can run a team without a HOF QB on the field.
    Mkay.
    Manning damn sure didn't play like a HOF QB in 2015. In fact, he was probably the worst QB in the league. The defense that Elway built won a SB in spite of his awful play. Oh, but you'll tell me it was Manning alone who attracted all those good free agents. Even if that were true, it was Elway who drafted key pieces like Wolfe, Williams, Jackson, Miller, Ray, Trevathan, Roby, Webster, Paradis, and yes, even Osweiler and Hillman. He also signed key rookie free agents like Barrett, Harris, and Anderson. The fact you won't even give him a bit of credit shows your complete lack of objectivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerontion View Post
    Manning damn sure didn't play like a HOF QB in 2015. In fact, he was probably the worst QB in the league. The defense that Elway built won a SB in spite of his awful play. Oh, but you'll tell me it was Manning alone who attracted all those good free agents. Even if that were true, it was Elway who drafted key pieces like Wolfe, Williams, Jackson, Miller, Ray, Trevathan, Roby, Webster, Paradis, and yes, even Osweiler and Hillman. He also signed key rookie free agents like Barrett, Harris, and Anderson. The fact you won't even give him a bit of credit shows your complete lack of objectivity.
    Manning didnít play at a HOF level, but was still a huge asset. He was still able to get us into good plays at the line, as well as holding players accountable, lifting the team spirit. Look no further than week 17 where we were on our way to losing home field advantage, and probably a trip to the Super Bowl. Peyton came in, healthy for the first time in months, the mistakes stopped, points went on the board and we made a pretty big comeback.

    Cool, Elway drafted good defensive players, at the same time he has done a horrible job on the other side of the ball which has led this team to being one of the worst in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMR81 View Post
    Manning didn’t play at a HOF level, but was still a huge asset. He was still able to get us into good plays at the line, as well as holding players accountable, lifting the team spirit. Look no further than week 17 where we were on our way to losing home field advantage, and probably a trip to the Super Bowl. Peyton came in, healthy for the first time in months, the mistakes stopped, points went on the board and we made a pretty big comeback.

    Cool, Elway drafted good defensive players, at the same time he has done a horrible job on the other side of the ball which has led this team to being one of the worst in the league.
    Leadership and football IQ only go so far whey your physical abilities are shot. His play on the field would have crippled a lesser team. Luckily for him, Elway's defense saved him and allowed him to retire a champion instead of adding yet another loss to his playoff resume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gerontion View Post
    Leadership and football IQ only go so far whey your physical abilities are shot. His play on the field would have crippled a lesser team. Luckily for him, Elway's defense saved him and allowed him to retire a champion instead of adding yet another loss to his playoff resume.
    His play on the field? Sure, it was poor. But Iíd say thatís more on the HC than it was the QB. Kubiak took a nearly 40 year old QB and asked him to changed the way he played football the majority of his career. Thatís not a recipe for success for a QB at the end of his career. Even then, he cleaned up his play once he was heathy and played better football the last few games.
    How has Elwayís defense done since then? If we had a GM capable of building a well, balanced team, thereís a good chance we arenít one of the worst teams in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMR81 View Post
    His play on the field? Sure, it was poor. But I’d say that’s more on the HC than it was the QB. Kubiak took a nearly 40 year old QB and asked him to changed the way he played football the majority of his career. That’s not a recipe for success for a QB at the end of his career. Even then, he cleaned up his play once he was heathy and played better football the last few games.
    How has Elway’s defense done since then? If we had a GM capable of building a well, balanced team, there’s a good chance we aren’t one of the worst teams in the league.
    Yep, Kubes probably should have just let Manning alone. He still would have played awful of course, but maybe not quite as bad. As far as his last few games, he did very little against Pittsburgh, was good against N.E., and terrible against Carolina. The defense carried the load in each of those games. Regarding the defense since Manning retired, it was ranked 4th in 2016 and 3rd in 2017. It slipped to 22nd this year.

    Denver has had a rough stretch but this team still isn't as bad as the traditional bottom feeders like the Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Bills, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gerontion View Post
    Yep, Kubes probably should have just let Manning alone. He still would have played awful of course, but maybe not quite as bad. As far as his last few games, he did very little against Pittsburgh, was good against N.E., and terrible against Carolina. The defense carried the load in each of those games. Regarding the defense since Manning retired, it was ranked 4th in 2016 and 3rd in 2017. It slipped to 22nd this year.

    Denver has had a rough stretch but this team still isn't as bad as the traditional bottom feeders like the Raiders, Jets, Cardinals, Bills, etc.
    Really? Not as bad? We just lost to the Raiders and were blown out by the Jets.

    How many games did that defense win us in 16 and 17? Im sure there are other GMs that could build a solid defense if they also neglected the other side of the ball.

    We need a GM who can build a complete football team, not just a good defense.

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    I thought at the beginning of the Season, that Elway & Co. had put together a decent team on paper. With injuries and being out coached continuously, I think thats what did us in this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SMR81 View Post
    Really? Not as bad? We just lost to the Raiders and were blown out by the Jets.

    How many games did that defense win us in 16 and 17? Im sure there are other GMs that could build a solid defense if they also neglected the other side of the ball.

    We need a GM who can build a complete football team, not just a good defense.
    Yep, the Broncos had some awful losses. They also played the Chiefs and Rams incredibly tough and beat a couple of playoff teams. Elway hasn't neglected the offense. He has made some poor draft choices, though. The biggest problem, of course, is lack of a good QB. Drafting a franchise QB is an absolute crapshoot. In fact, Denver has never drafted a franchise QB in their entire history, at least not one who stuck around.

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    Funny how these threads just get deleted after a week as I started a thread Time To Fire Elway. Nice going Moderators. Nothing else to say on here.

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