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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    Marshall is not particularly good in run D either. He is soft all the way around. He needs to be cut, hate the way the dude plays. He gets tackles because RBs shoot through the hole and plow over him. He tackles high, prances around like a queen, and is constantly out of position. He isnít worth near the money heís making.
    He has 100 tackles and we are the number three run defense in the NFL. Iíll choose to disagree.

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    Danny excelled in coverage while marshall manned the run. They just played really well together.

    From my undstanding oncethe coaching staff figured out that davis and nelson were not good substitutes, theyve had marshall playing dannys role since then. At least ive heard that a couple of times on the fan

    I would love to be able to get smith from georgia or fitzpatrick from alabama. Im not sold on any tackle at 5 or qb for that matter

    Williams lacks strength size. I dont know about his strength due to his injury
    Brown relies solely on upper body strength
    Mcglinchey i dont know anything about other than seeing him picked anywhere from 10 down in mocks.

    Rosen has been injured quite a bit which i dont see talked about much.
    Darnold may stay in and probably should
    Baker and the rest at 5 just dont seem to be a sure bet.

    This is all opinion based on where things are now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny_Quest View Post
    And injury prone. Trevathan has only played 20 games in 2 years in Chicago. I loved Danny T. but we were smart not to give a big contract.



    I think you mean Bennett and Avril are the heart of the front 7.

    For some reason people always want to credit every great defense to an ILB when ILB is one of the least important positions.

    1. Ken Norton Jr. is the heart and soul of the Cowboys defense!

    Except he goes to SF the next year and it's like he was never there.

    2. Ray Lewis is the heart and soul of the Raven's defense!

    Then Tony Siragusa and Sam Adams leave and they go from 1st to 22nd in yards allowed per game and Lewis is getting rag-dolled the next few years.

    3. Brian Urlacher is the heart and soul of the Bears' defense!

    Except it was really Briggs and Tillman.


    ILBs are like running backs. A dime a dozen and best drafted in the mid-to-late rounds. One of the reasons the Seahawks are suffering is because they overpaid for Wagner.
    That comment could not be further from being true. The issue with your examples is that you are comparing guys and making your definitive statements based off of their last or near last years of their careers. Particularly Urlacher and :Lewis...some seriously specials players. Also with regards to ILB's being a dime a dozen a good majority of the teams who cover TE's and keep the run game to a minimum ALL have top tier ILBs. As with most position's rounds 1-3 have the highest success rate. So sure you can get serviceable ILBs in the mid late rounds and from time to time get lucky and hit on one. The fact still remains that the truly elite and truly talented players at that position come in the 1st to 3rd rounds primarily.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_C View Post
    That comment could not be further from being true. The issue with your examples is that you are comparing guys and making your definitive statements based off of their last or near last years of their careers. Particularly Urlacher and :Lewis...some seriously specials players. Also with regards to ILB's being a dime a dozen a good majority of the teams who cover TE's and keep the run game to a minimum ALL have top tier ILBs. As with most position's rounds 1-3 have the highest success rate. So sure you can get serviceable ILBs in the mid late rounds and from time to time get lucky and hit on one. The fact still remains that the truly elite and truly talented players at that position come in the 1st to 3rd rounds primarily.
    Yes! Yes! These guys were disrupters and really, really good ones. Obviously if you have guys that allow these play wreckers to be freed up it helps. All of those guys in their prime could cover RB's and TE's efficiently. You are right though we need pass coverage specialists and a home wrecker tackling machine too.
    Also to your point-- These guys don't grow on trees, so rounds 1-3 unless you get lucky on an injured guy returning to health, is where you find these guys.
    Last edited by WYBRONCO; 12-28-2017 at 08:18 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_C View Post
    That comment could not be further from being true. The issue with your examples is that you are comparing guys and making your definitive statements based off of their last or near last years of their careers. Particularly Urlacher and :Lewis...some seriously specials players. Also with regards to ILB's being a dime a dozen a good majority of the teams who cover TE's and keep the run game to a minimum ALL have top tier ILBs. As with most position's rounds 1-3 have the highest success rate. So sure you can get serviceable ILBs in the mid late rounds and from time to time get lucky and hit on one. The fact still remains that the truly elite and truly talented players at that position come in the 1st to 3rd rounds primarily.
    Lewis was not nearly past his prime in 2002 and 2003 when the Ravens D dropped from first to 22nd. He was still good, but we found out that it was really Adams and Siragusa that anchored that front 7, and Ed Reed anchoring the secondary.

    Iíve noticed a lot of people on the board are stuck in the 80s model of building teams around RBs, ILBs, and flashy receivers. Thatís so outdated and a recipe for failure. Thatís Jerry Jones and Al Davisism at its finest. You build teams around:

    1. Edge rushers
    2. Tackles
    3. Shutdown corners
    4. DTs that collapse the pocket
    5. Shutdown safeties
    6. Dominant tight ends

    Obviously it all starts with a good QB...

    If none of those are available in the first two rounds then you settle for a really good receiver or ILB or guard. If things are really grim you take a RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonny_Quest View Post
    Lewis was not nearly past his prime in 2002 and 2003 when the Ravens D dropped from first to 22nd. He was still good, but we found out that it was really Adams and Siragusa that anchored that front 7, and Ed Reed anchoring the secondary.

    I’ve noticed a lot of people on the board are stuck in the 80s model of building teams around RBs, ILBs, and flashy receivers. That’s so outdated and a recipe for failure. That’s Jerry Jones and Al Davisism at its finest. You build teams around:

    1. Edge rushers
    2. Tackles
    3. Shutdown corners
    4. DTs that collapse the pocket
    5. Shutdown safeties
    6. Dominant tight ends

    Obviously it all starts with a good QB...

    If none of those are available in the first two rounds then you settle for a really good receiver or ILB or guard. If things are really grim you take a RB.
    Well Denver has hit #1 a few times. They haven't hit #2 since Ryan Clady though, Bolles could still be good. We have #3 though they may cost a lot, so that is a good draft note. When healthy we have #4 but we could improve that. We have had some sucess with #5. We haven't drafted #6 since? Well Shannon Sharpe and he was a 6th rounder. I am excited for Jake Butt next year though.

    Your formula isn't bad. There are always exceptions to the rule of course. If there is a LB that can disrupt plays and it is really, really obvious they can cover guys out of the backfield then you have to consider them.

    With injuries as a factor, we need a lot more depth in just about all of the 1-6, and well like you said a good QB would help too.

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