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    Quote Originally Posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    Don't matter you still don't have any guards....we talking about guards and rbs...not qbs and def
    Yeahhh you didnít get the point of that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munoz1987 View Post
    CJ is GARBAGE compared to Fournette. Fournette had more rushing yards, receiving yards and TDs than CJ in 3 less game with Blake Bortels as his QB while facing loaded boxes every play. McCaffrey isnt asked to be an every down back but he's a top 5 3rd down RB in the NFL.
    Fournette had 5 more yards on 23 more attempts. CJ had more big runs, more 1st downs and a higher 1st down %, and fewer fumbles. Is that difference really statistically significant?

    McCaffrey averaged 3.7 y/a.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    Gurley has a solid team around him...he is the rams period.....the cowboys have 3 pro bowlers and their butts are sitting at home.
    AP, arguably the best RB over the past 10 years, has won 1 playoff game. What's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    Sorry Ronnie Brown did live up the the hype....Cadillac Williams got injured....I will give you Cedric Benson.
    whatever credibility you had, you just lost. Ronnie Brown, drafted #2 overall. 11 years in the league with 7400 total yards and 40 total TDs. That's an average of 3.6 TDs/year and 675 yards/season. How is that living up to #2 overall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by atwaterandstir View Post
    Out of the last 15 OL taken in the 1st Rd exactly one has made the pro bowl (Sherff). It's not the "safe" position to draft that so many make it out to be.

    We have a young guy with potential in Bolles and we have a great pick in Rd 2 where we can address the need as well.

    I'm not against building up our OLine, but it's foolish to spend such a high pick on one (5).
    That really isn't helping your argument, Scherff is the only o-lineman drafted or undrafted in the last 3 years to make the Pro Bowl. So, out of the countless number of guys drafted and undrafted the previous 3 years, the only one to make it was a first rounder.

    If you want a decent line, you need some first round talent and a lot of patience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    That really isn't helping your argument, Scherff is the only o-lineman drafted or undrafted in the last 3 years to make the Pro Bowl. So, out of the countless number of guys drafted and undrafted the previous 3 years, the only one to make it was a first rounder.

    If you want a decent line, you need some first round talent and a lot of patience.
    We have Bolles already plus a clear need to upgrade with the draft and in FA. We will have 4 picks in the top 100. Much like Dallas if we chose to beef up our line we don't have to waste top 10 opportunity to do it.

    This pick will be for an impact player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    Exactly. There are only 2 ways we need to go and neither include Barkley at 5.

    1. We get our QB via Free Agency (Cousins) and use the draft to build up our o-line and D.

    2. We use Free Agency to build up our o-line and D and draft our QB at #5.

    Either way Elway is NOT drafting a RB at #5 and he is NOT drafting a Guard at #5 and I will bet everything I got on it. Itís QB or defensive playmaker at 5. Possibly a tackle if someone separates themselves.

    And people need to quit with the Chad Kelly garbage, we are not gonna hand him the keys to he franchise, ever.

    If we donít sign Cousins, #5 will be used on a QB.
    it's QB, LT or Pass Rusher at #5. They really have no choice.
    No matter what they'll still be irrelevant on offense. There's Zero Playmakers on Offensive. DT and Sanders lost a step and are only possession receivers. There's no legitimate threat at RB and TE is filled with improve players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    AP, arguably the best RB over the past 10 years, has won 1 playoff game. What's your point?
    Levon bell and lynch...won more what's your PERIOD.....potna.

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    If we fill our QB need via FA (ideally Cousins), then I'd be down for picking Barkley @ 5. CJ would probably be gone anyways if we signed Cousins.

    I understand those wanting to pick oline at 5, but Cousins + Barkley gives us a much improved offense. If we're also able to keep both DT and Sanders, we're going to have a pretty damn potent offense.
    2012 Broncos Country Pick 'Em Challenge Champion

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    Quote Originally Posted by munoz1987 View Post
    it's QB, LT or Pass Rusher at #5. They really have no choice.
    No matter what they'll still be irrelevant on offense. There's Zero Playmakers on Offensive. DT and Sanders lost a step and are only possession receivers. There's no legitimate threat at RB and TE is filled with improve players.
    Zero playmakers is a pretty big exaggeration. The offenses biggest problem wasn't "playmakers", it was the absurd number of turnovers, they need some players (QB) who know how to protect the ball. You'll never make the playoffs when you lead the league in turnovers.

    The second biggest problem was in the redzone, we need a big TE who will fight for the ball, and a line who can push forward and open holes on the goalline for the RBs.

    The offense actually improved in yards this year, even with a different QB every week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    Zero playmakers is a pretty big exaggeration. The offenses biggest problem wasn't "playmakers", it was the absurd number of turnovers, they need some players (QB) who know how to protect the ball. You'll never make the playoffs when you lead the league in turnovers.

    The second biggest problem was in the redzone, we need a big TE who will fight for the ball, and a line who can push forward and open holes on the goalline for the RBs.

    The offense actually improved in yards this year, even with a different QB every week
    There's not 1 player on offenses for the Broncos the other team is worried about beating them. WRs have No Speed to beat you deep, RBs hardly ever make a defender miss in the open field, TEs are awful, and They don't have an NFL caliber QB on the Roster.
    By the time this offenses is any good the defense will be a shadow of themselves.
    That all changes by adding Cousins and Barkley in the offseason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munoz1987 View Post
    There's not 1 player on offenses for the Broncos the other team is worried about beating them. WRs have No Speed to beat you deep, RBs hardly ever make a defender miss in the open field, TEs are awful, and They don't have an NFL caliber QB on the Roster.
    By the time this offenses is any good the defense will be a shadow of themselves.
    That all changes by adding Cousins and Barkley in the offseason.
    I saw Sanders and DT open often for big plays this year, problem is our QBs either never saw them, overthrew, or underthrew them.

    We need a better QB, nobody is arguing that. Problem is Cousins is about the only one who will vastly improve the QB position next year. Cousins is a bit of a long shot at this point, he could sign a long term deal with the Redskins tomorrow and suddenly that option is off the table

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    Levon bell and lynch...won more what's your PERIOD.....potna.
    Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick...agreed, better plan this year is to wait on a RB, or not draft one at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    Leveon Bell was a 2nd round pick...agreed, better plan this year is to wait on a RB, or not draft one at all.
    That's crazy.....ANY player you draft will be a risk. None of these qbs are worth a top 10 pick....for those that listen to mshay and kiper........neither of them think any of these qbs....would have gone ahead of mitchell....patrick.....or waston.....Which mean all of them would.be drafted 13 and worse

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ear2dastreets View Post
    That's crazy.....ANY player you draft will be a risk. None of these qbs are worth a top 10 pick....for those that listen to mshay and kiper........neither of them think any of these qbs....would have gone ahead of mitchell....patrick.....or waston.....Which mean all of them would.be drafted 13 and worse
    even more reason to address the Oline and wait until next year for a QB if we need one

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