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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    sure that's why of the 11 starters in 2011...7 were replaced in 2012...and of the 2011 starters only 3 were starters or playing when we made the superbowl...cause Elway did nothing
    not saying he did nothing, i'm talking about when manning left. do you honestly believe had manning took the bigger payday in Tennessee that your team still would have been as good as it was?

    the broncos were a mediocre team before manning got there and they returned to mediocre the moment he left, in fact the way they played last season is far below mediocre, wouldn't you agree?


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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    not saying he did nothing, i'm talking about when manning left. do you honestly believe had manning took the bigger payday in Tennessee that your team still would have been as good as it was?

    the broncos were a mediocre team before manning got there and they returned to mediocre the moment he left, in fact the way they played last season is far below mediocre, wouldn't you agree?
    that's pretty dumb question...would any team be as good without a healthy manning?

    but then why didn't manning take the bigger payday?? oh yes because Elway got him to believe in what we could accomplish, far from manning simply falling to the broncos out of the blue

    returning to mediocre didn't have anything to do with our qb play did it...nah

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    that's pretty dumb question...would any team be as good without a healthy manning?

    but then why didn't manning take the bigger payday?? oh yes because Elway got him to believe in what we could accomplish, far from manning simply falling to the broncos out of the blue

    returning to mediocre didn't have anything to do with our qb play did it...nah
    well gee, the fact that three QB's have been drafted by elway and all three blow, doesn't have anything to do with it either, does it? or your bad OL play, crap RB's, crap TE's, none of that has anything to do with it either....nah.

    oh and the broncos defense falling off, what would you attribute that to? would love to see you spin that one


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    speaking of telesco, he just solidified the center position with the addition of pro bowl center mike pouncy, for fairly cheap too.

    now the only question on the OL is RT that they can address in the draft, after that they will be stacked at OL assuming last years 2nd round pick Forrest lamp is ready to go.

    gonna be a fun season if you are one of the rare chargers fans left


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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    well gee, the fact that three QB's have been drafted by elway and all three blow, doesn't have anything to do with it either, does it? or your bad OL play, crap RB's, crap TE's, none of that has anything to do with it either....nah.

    oh and the broncos defense falling off, what would you attribute that to? would love to see you spin that one
    Broncos defense ranked 4th vs the pass and 5th vs the run last year, great logic !
    Your right Denvers Oline was bad last year (vs the pass) vs the run our online and rib's ranked 12th way ahead of your teams line and backs at 24th.
    Tight Ends we are not good, Jake Butt is healthy and has a big hole to fill there.
    Case Keenum played behind an Oline very similar to ours and was able to get great production.

    I know Baphs I am a homer and even mentioning that Jake Butt might be good, or that we could improve with a better Qb is ridiculous but I choose to be unlogical & positive.
    .....If anyone ever tells you, that you talk to much about the Broncos........STOP TALKING 2 THEM!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    you mean manning fell in his lap and made elway look better as a general manager than he actually is? been saying that for a long long time and it's just the truth. that roster on defense barely changed yet took a pretty big step back as soon as wade was shown the door, one of the dumber moves i have seen by a team and GM since marty was fired .

    the chargers GM at that time was over-rated as well and was canned not too long after that, lets see if elway can survive the mistakes he has made.
    Highlighted above is the point I keep trying to spell out...... "Manning fell in to his lap", "Elway writes big checks", etc., etc.,

    He is the General Manager. The General Managers job is to bring in players and personnel to help win the SUPER BOWL!!!! Right????

    He signed Manning to help win a SUPER BOWL, and the DID!!!!! Call it what you want, but he did what any GM would do to win it all, and he did, therefore he made SMART GM MOVES!!!

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