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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by bronx_2003 View Post
    Like Elway said they had Chubb and Barkley rated as joint best players in the draft, and I would argue a pass rusher is more important to grab then a running back who can generally be found later on.
    Yeah...history has shown you can win the Super Bowl without a high round RB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez View Post
    I think once it was obvious the Broncos would not select a qb then the Bills probably realized the did not have to trade both first round picks.

    IMO the only team that would have really gotten both 1st round Bill picks would have been Clev for the 4th pick. Once the Broncos made it clear they would trade imo the Bills should have known the Broncos were not going to take the QB the Bills wanted. Tho there is grey area to play with in that negotiation.
    It has been reported from multiple sources! Plus the fact that we weren't selecting QB doesn't matter. It's trading up ahead of people to secure your guy with a value that they believe was fair. They traded up twice in first round so they were obviously aggressive and willing to move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hph5 View Post
    Yeah...history has shown you can win the Super Bowl without a high round RB.
    Runningbacks are also at a much higher risk of being injured, a guy like Barkley is going to get 25 to 30 touches a game.

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    I’m happy with the way it worked out. Denver got 2nd best player in the draft with Chubb.

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    Chubb better turn out to be a consistent pro-bowler as a minimum considering how much we essentially "passed on" to get him.

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    If Freeman hits, then it doesn’t matter that we didn’t trade up from third to another second. So, this leaves 5 for 12 and 22...

    Chubb vs will Hernandez and whoever we would’ve taken at 12...

    The way I see it, I take Von over Bolles and Ray everytime. I believe Elway wanted to trade down, but it’s hard to pass on Darnold, Barkley and Chubb. I think he made the right call, no matter how it turns out. Chubb should’ve been the top pick.

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    I think Chubb gets them closer to the 2015 defense than 12 and 22 would have got them to a top 10 offense or defense. Keenum with a top 5 defense can make this team real good IMHO. That's what I'm counting on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraguela09 View Post
    If Freeman hits, then it doesn’t matter that we didn’t trade up from third to another second. So, this leaves 5 for 12 and 22...

    Chubb vs will Hernandez and whoever we would’ve taken at 12...

    The way I see it, I take Von over Bolles and Ray everytime. I believe Elway wanted to trade down, but it’s hard to pass on Darnold, Barkley and Chubb. I think he made the right call, no matter how it turns out. Chubb should’ve been the top pick.
    Probably Edmunds or Davenport at 12.

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    Just another read on what went down, and what never did happen....

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/h...ey-chubb-fell/


    The expectation for the early part of the 2018 NFL Draft was trades galore. But it ended up being fairly slow, with all six of the first teams selecting standing pat at their position from the start of the draft (obviously the Colts and Jets flipped picks prior to the draft). We nearly saw a big move from the Denver Broncos and Buffalo Bills, but a draft-day drop by Bradley Chubb to No. 5 caused it to get tossed aside.

    In a wide-ranging interview with the Buffalo News' Jay Skurski, GM Brandon Beane explained how the draft-day process shook out for the Bills and broke down a trade the Broncos and Bills agreed to the day of the draft.

    "Literally about 8 o'clock, John calls me and says all right, here's what we'll do," Beane told the Buffalo News. "We finalized the deal, but it's contingent on his guy not being there." Unfortunately for Beane (it seemed), the Browns drafting Denzel Ward at No. 4 and allowing the Broncos to take Chubb at No. 5 meant that the deal was off.

    The swap in question, per Beane, would have netted the Broncos No. 12 overall, No. 22 overall and one of the Bills' second-round picks. Let's call it No. 53 overall (their first of two along with No. 56). The Bills would have gotten No. 5 overall and one of the Broncos third-round picks. Let's call it No. 71 (their first of two along with No. 99).

    It's hard to pass up on a blue-chip player, but that would have been an absurd haul for Denver.......

    Yikes. That would have been a massive win for the Broncos, in terms of acquiring draft capital. If you want a more realistic example of what could have been, how about just compare the players chosen. The Broncos got Chubb at No. 5 and Oregon running back Royce Freeman at No. 71 overall. With the 12th overall pick, the Buccaneers took defensive tackle Vita Vea, the Titans selected Rashaan Evans at No. 22 overall and the Buccaneers took M.J. Stewart with the 53rd overall pick.

    Time will tell how those guys play out, but if we're just swapping the players involved, I'll take the group of two headlined by the blue-chip player in Chubb. It's really bizarre how that looks more appealing, despite what the Bills offered Denver looking like a clear win in terms of the value of the draft.

    From an analytical approach, it's easy to see why the Broncos could get killed here. You need to have as many shots as you can shoot and they had Buffalo in a bad spot with that offer. On the other hand, Beane knew it. He said he was basically bidding against himself, and he also started to panic after Elway bailed on No. 5 and the Colts declined to move out of No. 6 (both Peter King of TheMMQB.com and Stephen Holder of the Indy Star have reported Chris Ballard was locked into Quenton Nelson and not moving off his spot).

    "I thought at 7, I'm getting in that gray zone. Miami can get there, Arizona now can get there. I don't want to lose him here," Beane explained, noting his concern over the Dolphins and Cardinals both potentially moving up for a quarterback as well. Beane's whole goal in the draft was to not give up a) his other first-round pick (No. 22) or b) his 2019 first-round pick. Ultimately he was able to swing a deal with the Bucs, giving GM Jason Licht a haul of No. 12, No. 53 and No. 56, in order to move up to No. 7 and snag Josh Allen.

    The Bills GM, in his first draft, would jump back up to grab linebacker Tremaine Edmunds, closing the deal on a very nice haul in the first day of the draft, even if it's one that was expensive for them to move around. It actually ended up being cheaper, though, and as it turned out, Chubb falling was probably the best thing that could have happened to the Bills. Without him there at No. 5, they give up their other first-round pick and don't walk out of the draft with Edmunds as well.

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    So I do believe the 2 firsts were in play, although I knew nothing about us giving back a third. This one will be interesting for years to come, because who knows? But if Chubbb lives up to what many of us believe, we did the right thing. You go with the best player in the trade....unless of course, someone wants to sell the farm in the process. No farms sold here.

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    Here is what Klis put on 9News

    As 9NEWS reported last week, the Broncos top three choices with their No. 5 overall pick were Saquon Barkley, Bradley Chubb and Sam Darnold. Barkley and Darnold were gone with the No. 2 and 3 picks. When the Cleveland Browns surprisingly took cornerback Denzel Ward, and not Chubb, at No. 4, the Broncos had their player and called off their trade with the Bills.

    Had the Browns taken Chubb, Broncos general manager John Elway would have traded back to the Bills at No. 12 and 22.

    With the No. 12 pick, I think Elway would have hoped one from this list -- linebacker Roquan Smith, safety Derwin James, guard Quenton Nelson, offensive tackle Mike McGlinchey or defensive back Minkah Fitzpatrick -- would have been there. All but James were gone before No. 12.

    Elway might have been James’ choice at No. 12, although safety is not a need after the Broncos acquired Su’a Cravens in a trade from Washington.

    Kolton Miller, an offensive tackle from UCLA who went No. 15 to Oakland, might have been the choice. I don’t know where the Broncos came down on Edmunds.

    With the No. 22 pick, the Broncos might have taken a running back. Maybe a corner.

    As for the player they would have got at No. 22, he might not have been better than who the Broncos got at No. 40, receiver Courtland Sutton,

    Know this: Elway didn’t come away with buyer’s remorse. Chubb and Barkley were the two most impactful, non-QBs in the draft. And the Broncos got one.

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