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    What is going on with Von Miller?

    Something is up with him. He's disappearing in games (So is our entire pass rush) and he's barely playing. Through 3 games (this weeks data isn't up yet) he's only participated in 68% of the defensive plays so far (by comparison, that number through 3 games last year was 85%) He's barely seeing the field and he looked completely and totally gassed last night in the 4th. Something doesn't seem right there at all, why are we using him so sparingly and why being used so sparingly does he look like he's dying of exhaustion.

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts


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    Was it a bad pollen day yesterday? He has asthma and I saw him using his puffer a couple of times as well as the O2 bag. I agree something must be going on for him not to be playing as much.
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    Overrated. Way overrated. Guesses the snap. Off-sides too often. Liability to the team. A lot of his sacks come in the fourth quarter when the teams are tired and the game may already have been decided one way or the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kishor View Post
    Overrated. Way overrated. Guesses the snap. Off-sides too often. Liability to the team. A lot of his sacks come in the fourth quarter when the teams are tired and the game may already have been decided one way or the other.
    Let's not go that far lol, that's a poor take, try again.


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    That Side Show Bob looking QB is one slippery son of a gun.

    Von was trying like hell to catch him and just couldn't. We were one play away from beating a really good team. We fought hard and came up just short. Great game!

    There is hope...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Taos_Broncomaniac View Post
    That Side Show Bob looking QB is one slippery son of a gun.

    Von was trying like hell to catch him and just couldn't. We were one play away from beating a really good team. We fought hard and came up just short. Great game!

    There is hope...
    Yeah the left-handed shot put completion with Von wrapped around his legs was unbelievable! The kid threw for almost 200 yds outside the pocket which hasn't been done in the NFL in over a decade.
    Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by Freyaka View Post
    Something is up with him. He's disappearing in games (So is our entire pass rush) and he's barely playing. Through 3 games (this weeks data isn't up yet) he's only participated in 68% of the defensive plays so far (by comparison, that number through 3 games last year was 85%) He's barely seeing the field and he looked completely and totally gassed last night in the 4th. Something doesn't seem right there at all, why are we using him so sparingly and why being used so sparingly does he look like he's dying of exhaustion.

    https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts
    It seems they are trying to rotate players more, presumably to keep them fresh, and having Von in mostly on passing downs.

    This isn't a good move in my opinion. Miller needs to be on the field more. A near 20% drop off in defensive snaps for him is not in the teams best interest. Cute defense does not win games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taos_Broncomaniac View Post
    That Side Show Bob looking QB is one slippery son of a gun.

    Von was trying like hell to catch him and just couldn't. We were one play away from beating a really good team. We fought hard and came up just short. Great game!

    There is hope...
    Truth. Mahomes is a wet fish. Good luck with him. He plays very smart and is *gasp* fun to watch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taos_Broncomaniac View Post
    That Side Show Bob looking QB is one slippery son of a gun.

    Von was trying like hell to catch him and just couldn't. We were one play away from beating a really good team. We fought hard and came up just short. Great game!

    There is hope...
    This. Von seems to ďpick his spotsĒ as opposed to being consistently dominant. Annoying as that can be- 9 times out of 10 that play wins the game for us (and weíre all praising him for elevating his game ďat just the right timeĒ, etc.). Mahomes is a different animal as it is though- is currently playing out of his mind, and has tons of weapons to make pressure throws to. Nothing we can do for now except tip our caps and focus on the NYJ...
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    That's just dumb

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    Great post, accurate post, but not something this fan base wants to hear so they wont acknowledge it. I have just gone back through the game and watched every one of Von Millers snaps, and again he was constantly off of the field being subbed for Ray or Barrett, something has to be up with his fitness at the moment as you pointed out Frey. Also, the inbuilt excuses that this man constantly has whenever he doesn't impact the game, regarding him apparently seeing double and triple teams constantly is just not true. Against Kansas City Von Miller seen one on one matchups on every pass rushing snap that he played in the game except for 3. He was chipped by a tight end on 2 occasions, and a running back chipped him once.

    The bottom line is Von Miller is severely under performing his contract whether people want to admit it or not. Von seems to be tired and gassed as backed up by the sideline images of him looking like he is dying, and as the snap percentage statistics indicate. Add in the fact that he is not taking advantage of one on one matchups at all, and I do see a problem with Von Miller's performances. Kansas City barely even accounted for Von in their pass protection plan and he still didn't have any impact on the game. No question we need more from our best player, and our highest paid player.

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    Von Miller has always looked like that on the sidelines, heís always going to get oxygen. I donít think itís a fitness thing, just how he is. But I will agree Von does pick his spots when trying to get to the QB, heís done that throughout his whole career. When heís going all out heís nearly impossible to stop. As far as last night, I think he wanted to contain. He couldíve beat the OT outside a lot but since Wolfe isnít getting much push these days itís easy for the QB to evade the rush and get out the pocket.

    There is no creativity with how we use Von. Von is so athletic that itís a crying shame that he only is asked to rush the edge. Heís rarely used in stunts or twists and heís never lined up anywhere but against the OT. I saw Shane Ray in at ILB last night and they didnít even bluff a blitz with him, just dropped him in coverage.

    This is my problem with DB coaches being defensive coordinators especially when they are young. Joe Woods does not know how get creative with pressure packages in the front 7. He used the same blitz repeatedly all game and never tried to build off it with similar looks but different blitzes. Bluff from one side, drop out right before the snap and bring heat from the other side. KC picked up on it and started shifting the line away from the overloaded side. I guarantee you if showed that same look on a critical play in the 4th, and the safety still couldíve fell back, but brought one or both the other guys on that side, it wouldíve been a sack. For the life of me I donít understand why you would even want to blitz from Vonís side that much. That lets the QB roll away from him and with terrible containment itís an easy play for a QB like Mahomes. Bring the pressure opposite of Von and force the QB toward Von.

    Joe Woods will learn and may become a good DC one day but it wonít be here. This coaching staff is gone by the end of the season if not sooner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Great post, accurate post, but not something this fan base wants to hear so they wont acknowledge it. I have just gone back through the game and watched every one of Von Millers snaps, and again he was constantly off of the field being subbed for Ray or Barrett, something has to be up with his fitness at the moment as you pointed out Frey. Also, the inbuilt excuses that this man constantly has whenever he doesn't impact the game, regarding him apparently seeing double and triple teams constantly is just not true. Against Kansas City Von Miller seen one on one matchups on every pass rushing snap that he played in the game except for 3. He was chipped by a tight end on 2 occasions, and a running back chipped him once.

    The bottom line is Von Miller is severely under performing his contract whether people want to admit it or not. Von seems to be tired and gassed as backed up by the sideline images of him looking like he is dying, and as the snap percentage statistics indicate. Add in the fact that he is not taking advantage of one on one matchups at all, and I do see a problem with Von Miller's performances. Kansas City barely even accounted for Von in their pass protection plan and he still didn't have any impact on the game. No question we need more from our best player, and our highest paid player.
    This.

    At this point he is just a pass rush specialist. he isn't in the same tier as Mack or Donald or Even Bosa when healthy

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    Remember when we had Von rush up the middle in the SB run! I recall one instance vs NE, or in the SB. 2nd and 30 is a perfect time to rush 4 and line Von up right over the OC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Von Miller has always looked like that on the sidelines, heís always going to get oxygen. I donít think itís a fitness thing, just how he is. But I will agree Von does pick his spots when trying to get to the QB, heís done that throughout his whole career. When heís going all out heís nearly impossible to stop. As far as last night, I think he wanted to contain. He couldíve beat the OT outside a lot but since Wolfe isnít getting much push these days itís easy for the QB to evade the rush and get out the pocket.

    There is no creativity with how we use Von. Von is so athletic that itís a crying shame that he only is asked to rush the edge. Heís rarely used in stunts or twists and heís never lined up anywhere but against the OT. I saw Shane Ray in at ILB last night and they didnít even bluff a blitz with him, just dropped him in coverage.

    This is my problem with DB coaches being defensive coordinators especially when they are young. Joe Woods does not know how get creative with pressure packages in the front 7. He used the same blitz repeatedly all game and never tried to build off it with similar looks but different blitzes. Bluff from one side, drop out right before the snap and bring heat from the other side. KC picked up on it and started shifting the line away from the overloaded side. I guarantee you if showed that same look on a critical play in the 4th, and the safety still couldíve fell back, but brought one or both the other guys on that side, it wouldíve been a sack. For the life of me I donít understand why you would even want to blitz from Vonís side that much. That lets the QB roll away from him and with terrible containment itís an easy play for a QB like Mahomes. Bring the pressure opposite of Von and force the QB toward Von.

    Joe Woods will learn and may become a good DC one day but it wonít be here. This coaching staff is gone by the end of the season if not sooner.
    Good post and I completely agree with your take. I tried questioning Vons Health and his ability to live up to his contract last week after the ravens debacle butbwas attacked. Perhaps ppl are a little more eager to accept that there are some serious issues afoot here but itís not all on Von and your post did a lot to justify that!

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