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    Vic Fangio
    We know that heís as immersed in defensive strategy as anyone in football. Fangioís NFL career began in 1986 with the New Orleans Saints and heís served as a defensive coordinator for five different teams.

    From 1995 to 1998 he coached the Expansion Carolina Panthers. In their inaugural season Fangioís defense finished 5th in FootballOutsiders DVOA, including 2nd against the pass. They were 6th in total D during Ď96 and had the best adjusted sack rate in the league. The pass rushing linebacker duo of Kevin Greene and Lamar Lothon combined for 28 sacks.

    From 1999 to 2001 Fangio was the defensive coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts under Jim Mora. The results with the Colts were mostly sub par, but the pass rush was elite in 2000. After 2001, he was hired again by Dom Capers to oversee another expansion defense, this time the Houston Texans. The D peaked at 18th in DVOA before bottoming out in 2005.

    After he was fired from Houston, Fangio worked in Baltimore under Rex Ryan and, in 2009 Greg Mattison. In 2010 he left the NFL for Stanford under Jim Harbaugh, helping the current Michigan coach lead Elwayís Alma mater to 12-1 record. The Cardinal had one of the best scoring defenses under Fangio, which goes a way towards explaining why Harbaugh brought his coordinator with him when he took the San Francisco 49er job.

    Three out of the four years he was coordinating by the bay, Fangioís defense finished with a top 5 DVOA rating. He accomplished this despite the fact that Aldon Smith was his only premier pass rushing threat. When Fangio was with the 49ers, he had 10 players combine for 19 Pro Bowl berths in his four seasons. Those same 10 players have exactly one Pro Bowl berth since he left. Six of those players never made the Pro Bowl before they played for Fangio and havenít made it since he left.

    His most recent stop with the Chicago Bears started when John Fox hired Fangio in 2015. Every year the defense improved, even if only slightly at first. It wasnít enough to save Fox though, who was fired after the 2017 season. When Matt Nagy was hired after the season, he made it a priority to resign Fangio and reportedly made him one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. It made sense: his return provided continuity for a defense that had improved from 30th in yards allowed the year before Fangio arrived to 10th in 2017; from 17th to 11th in rushing; 30th to seventh in passing; 17th to sixth in sacks; and 31st to ninth in points allowed.In 2018, the Bears were one of the best defenses in the modern history of football.

    Mike Munchak
    We know heís loyal to a fault. After the Tennessee Titans 7-9 finish in 2013, management requested he replace six or more of his assistant coaches. Munchak refused to follow through on all of them and was fired.

    During his three years as head coach of the Titans, the team finished 13th, 30th, 21st in Football Outsiders total DVOA.Thatís a bit discouraging on its head, but this isnít: all three teams outperformed their expected win total. This was during the same time that the AFC South had pre-injury Andrew Luck carrying the Colts and Gary Kubiakís Houston Texans looked like a Super Bowl sleeper.

    This idea that Munchak coming to Denver will fix all that ails the Broncos offensive line may be popular to the mainstream media, but it doesnít hold up to any level of scrutiny. The Titans line in 2011 was the worst run blocking unit in football. They were good in power situations, but woeful in just about every other way. The 2011 Titans did allow only 24 sacks though. In 2012 the run blocking improved slightly, but they allowed more sacks. During Munchakís last season with the Titans line ranked 29th in the league in power situations and allowed 37 sacks.

    So if Munchak wonít magically fix the line, why hire him? Heís safe, for one. Those Titans teams outplayed their talent and could have done more if they werenít quarterbacked by Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and an ancient Matt Hasselback. Munchakís leading receiver during his reign was Nate Washington. After he was fired, his replacement Ken Whisenhunt never won more than 2 games in a season.

    Still, the lieutenants will be really important. Munchak has never called plays on either side of the ball. Following reports that Elway blocked teams from interviewing Gary Kubiak, all signs point to him leading the offense. On Defense fans have been pining for Todd Bowles, but heíll probably return to Bruce Ariansí staff if the CBS commentator comes out of retirement to coach the Buccaneers. Perhaps the Broncos management still believes in Joe Woods, the guy they pushed Wade Phillips out the door for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&sour...47042527420088

    Vic Fangio
    We know that heís as immersed in defensive strategy as anyone in football. Fangioís NFL career began in 1986 with the New Orleans Saints and heís served as a defensive coordinator for five different teams.

    From 1995 to 1998 he coached the Expansion Carolina Panthers. In their inaugural season Fangioís defense finished 5th in FootballOutsiders DVOA, including 2nd against the pass. They were 6th in total D during Ď96 and had the best adjusted sack rate in the league. The pass rushing linebacker duo of Kevin Greene and Lamar Lothon combined for 28 sacks.

    From 1999 to 2001 Fangio was the defensive coordinator for the Indianapolis Colts under Jim Mora. The results with the Colts were mostly sub par, but the pass rush was elite in 2000. After 2001, he was hired again by Dom Capers to oversee another expansion defense, this time the Houston Texans. The D peaked at 18th in DVOA before bottoming out in 2005.

    After he was fired from Houston, Fangio worked in Baltimore under Rex Ryan and, in 2009 Greg Mattison. In 2010 he left the NFL for Stanford under Jim Harbaugh, helping the current Michigan coach lead Elwayís Alma mater to 12-1 record. The Cardinal had one of the best scoring defenses under Fangio, which goes a way towards explaining why Harbaugh brought his coordinator with him when he took the San Francisco 49er job.

    Three out of the four years he was coordinating by the bay, Fangioís defense finished with a top 5 DVOA rating. He accomplished this despite the fact that Aldon Smith was his only premier pass rushing threat. When Fangio was with the 49ers, he had 10 players combine for 19 Pro Bowl berths in his four seasons. Those same 10 players have exactly one Pro Bowl berth since he left. Six of those players never made the Pro Bowl before they played for Fangio and havenít made it since he left.

    His most recent stop with the Chicago Bears started when John Fox hired Fangio in 2015. Every year the defense improved, even if only slightly at first. It wasnít enough to save Fox though, who was fired after the 2017 season. When Matt Nagy was hired after the season, he made it a priority to resign Fangio and reportedly made him one of the highest paid coordinators in the league. It made sense: his return provided continuity for a defense that had improved from 30th in yards allowed the year before Fangio arrived to 10th in 2017; from 17th to 11th in rushing; 30th to seventh in passing; 17th to sixth in sacks; and 31st to ninth in points allowed.In 2018, the Bears were one of the best defenses in the modern history of football.

    Mike Munchak
    We know heís loyal to a fault. After the Tennessee Titans 7-9 finish in 2013, management requested he replace six or more of his assistant coaches. Munchak refused to follow through on all of them and was fired.

    During his three years as head coach of the Titans, the team finished 13th, 30th, 21st in Football Outsiders total DVOA.Thatís a bit discouraging on its head, but this isnít: all three teams outperformed their expected win total. This was during the same time that the AFC South had pre-injury Andrew Luck carrying the Colts and Gary Kubiakís Houston Texans looked like a Super Bowl sleeper.

    This idea that Munchak coming to Denver will fix all that ails the Broncos offensive line may be popular to the mainstream media, but it doesnít hold up to any level of scrutiny. The Titans line in 2011 was the worst run blocking unit in football. They were good in power situations, but woeful in just about every other way. The 2011 Titans did allow only 24 sacks though. In 2012 the run blocking improved slightly, but they allowed more sacks. During Munchakís last season with the Titans line ranked 29th in the league in power situations and allowed 37 sacks.

    So if Munchak wonít magically fix the line, why hire him? Heís safe, for one. Those Titans teams outplayed their talent and could have done more if they werenít quarterbacked by Jake Locker, Ryan Fitzpatrick, and an ancient Matt Hasselback. Munchakís leading receiver during his reign was Nate Washington. After he was fired, his replacement Ken Whisenhunt never won more than 2 games in a season.

    Still, the lieutenants will be really important. Munchak has never called plays on either side of the ball. Following reports that Elway blocked teams from interviewing Gary Kubiak, all signs point to him leading the offense. On Defense fans have been pining for Todd Bowles, but heíll probably return to Bruce Ariansí staff if the CBS commentator comes out of retirement to coach the Buccaneers. Perhaps the Broncos management still believes in Joe Woods, the guy they pushed Wade Phillips out the door for?
    So Munchak had poor lines ths last time he was HC? Also, those QBs he had in Tennessee, two of them are better than Keenum.

    And it seems Fangio's only consistent success has been in Chicago and when he has a stacked defense.

    Consider me underwhelmed.

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    In order to win this division, it goes through KC. Matt Nagy runs a variance of KCís offense since he came from KC and Fangio saw it at practice the whole season. So now it comes down to Munchak and Fangio. The bigger question is the coordinators. We will see. Iím leaning towards Fangio for the simple fact we will be facing Mahomes for the next decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    It seems to me that itís down to Munchak and Fangio.
    The fail is strong with Elway.

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    Iím kind of surprised Matt LaFluer didnít get an interview, or any of hot shot college coaches?

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    "Fangio, in his 40th year as a coach, has sought a head coaching position for more than 20 years, but generally has been considered a lifetime assistant because he is a quiet, witty, introspective man away from the field and a smart and innovative defensive coach at practices and games and with his game plans and schemes. He and Jim Harbaugh respected each other but argued often."

    from: Woody Paige: Elway's new Plan A - hire Vic Fangio as coach with Kubiak as top assistant

    The Head Coach position is essentially a communications job --with players (rallying the troops), staff, and media. An introvert like Fangio doesn't fit this bill. Despite his decent football IQ, difficulty or reluctance to communicate will cause a lot of problems that will ultimately hurt the team's success.

    That's my main concern with this candidate. He was passed over in SF after Harbaugh left, and in Chicago after Fox left because he seems to lack the personality to lead.
    Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016

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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    "Fangio, in his 40th year as a coach, has sought a head coaching position for more than 20 years, but generally has been considered a lifetime assistant because he is a quiet, witty, introspective man away from the field and a smart and innovative defensive coach at practices and games and with his game plans and schemes. He and Jim Harbaugh respected each other but argued often."

    from: Woody Paige: Elway's new Plan A - hire Vic Fangio as coach with Kubiak as top assistant

    The Head Coach position is essentially a communications job --with players (rallying the troops), staff, and media. An introvert like Fangio doesn't fit this bill. Despite his decent football IQ, difficulty or reluctance to communicate will cause a lot of problems that will ultimately hurt the team's success.

    That's my main concern with this candidate. He was passed over in SF after Harbaugh left, and in Chicago after Fox left because he seems to lack the personality to lead.
    He may not be the best option we have but quiet and introspective do not automatically equal introverted and that description of him as quiet, etc., was said to be away from the field. So.... I'm not sure about that being a disqualifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I love Champ but I canít help but wonder what may have been if we had Portis and Plummer on the same team.

    That would had been a pick your poison type scenario for opposing defenses not to mention the head aches! Lol
    Well we did have Portis and Plummer on the same team in 2003, and that trades for Champ, the signing of John Lynch and moreover the signing of Jake Plummer were the some of the absolute highlights of what Shanny did after Elway retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rastic View Post
    He may not be the best option we have but quiet and introspective do not automatically equal introverted and that description of him as quiet, etc., was said to be away from the field. So.... I'm not sure about that being a disqualifier.
    They are typical traits of introversion, my friend. The key word is "quiet", and most of the coaching is happening off the field. This is the only reason we have for why he's been passed over by other teams in all of these years. I had been wondering why, it's a cause for concern or potential red flag, and this is why I had questioned this choice. So Paige offers the answer --is he wrong? Then what's the real reason(s)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    It might make sense but itís just so wrong.

    No bomb for Fromm and sure hell no tanking for an Alabama quarterback, I donít care what his damn name is.

    Iím fine with Fox 2.0. I donít think they need to pick some young genius and cross their fingers hoping that heís not a doofus.

    Pick the right guy. Get a quarterback. Win some games.
    I am definitely NOT fine with a John Fox 2.0.

    John Fox throughout his career had a winning record behind three QBs, and two of them were Broncos starters in 2011-2014. Manning at his worst achieved more under Kubes, and even though Tebow had his primary achievements in 2011, he looked better and scored a TD more per game in 2010 under Studesville.

    John Fox 1.0 seemed to be on the bus and not driving it, which was an improvement over McDaniels that was a much better driver but kept driving drunk!

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    http://www.espn.com/blog/denver-bron...k-the-x-factor

    It belongs to a guy who could tip the decision the Broncos make because of his experience, his credentials and what the team believes he can contribute toward Denver snapping its three-season streak of playoff misses.

    Oh, Gary Kubiak won't be the teamís next head coach. But his presence could, and likely will, influence who ultimately get the job.

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    https://www.google.com/amp/s/broncos...-on-staff/amp/

    Regardless of what head coach the Denver Broncos hire, offensive coordinator Bill Musgrave is not expected to return. Defensive coordinator Joe Woods may be in jeopardy of losing his job, too.

    But there are at least three coaches that general manager John Elway would like to remain on the teamís staff in 2019.

    Special teams coordinator Tom McMahon, strength and conditioning coach Loren Landow and offensive line coach Sean Kugler are all expected to return, according to KUSA-TVís Mike Klis.

    Other potential candidates to return include defensive line coach Bill Kollar, wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni, running backs coach Curtis Modkins and assistant quarterbacks coach Klint Kubiak.

    Technically, everyone has a chance to return depending on who the team hires. Some coaches are more likely to return than others, though.

    Denver blocked the Buffalo Bills from interviewing Kugler and blocked two teams from interviewing Gary Kubiak. Regardless of which coach is hired, the Broncos are expected to bring Kubiak back, but it is unclear what role the executive will have in 2019.
    no better than the oline was this pass season, pass protection in particular, I don't know that keeping Kugler is the best idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    no better than the oline was this pass season, pass protection in particular, I don't know that keeping Kugler is the best idea.
    I think it was more the fault of player talent than coaching. Second stringers for a big part of the season and let's not forget that Bolles hasn't learned anything beyond holding and false starts in 2 years. I think the coaching was at lest average considering. Just IMO.

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    Fangio could be Belichick 2.0 as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    Fangio could be Belichick 2.0 as well.
    As long as he doesn't cheat like Belichick....

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