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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Haskins is a 1 year starter who benefitted from playing on a team that always had better players than the opposition, and played for a coach not well known for developing NFL QBs. In his biggest game of the year his o-line gave him all of the time in the world. Now that's not his fault by any means, but when you look back at that game he never faced pressure and all he did was throw which ever crossing route was open. He's got question marks around him as well.

    I've actually read nothing about "everyone" having Haskins first, I've read that it's very split.

    As for the Lock v Lynch comparisons, I don't think that's relevant. Lock has played in a pro style offense, he's considered to have excellent abilities, and he's considered a hard worker and very smart. They compare him to Jay Cutler but with a much more coachable personality.

    I think you mean Osweiler and Wilson, since Prescott was drafted 4 years after Osweiler. I think that had more to do with the starting QB in Denver at the time, Osweiler was more in that mold than Wilson was. Sure in hindsight Wilson should have been the pick, (although one could ask if he'd have had the same career in Denver in a much different offense being the backup for 4 years?) but Wilson was passed over by every single NFL team at least once. It's not like he was a no brainer pick, he went in the third round.

    Good post and I'm glad not everyone is drinking the cool-aide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conannilsen View Post
    Here's what I see, Lock at 10.

    Trade Von, Roby, and Ray for this and next years firsts from the 49ers.

    Why?

    Because we learned from Josh, that you can really set your old club up with gm control.

    The outcome, A Bowlen becomes owner. Ellis let go. Elway takes advisor role. Lynch becomes GM, Mike Shanahan becomes head coach, Kyle OC, Everyone falls back into their strongest roles.

    So the deal gets Lynch fired now, and everything aligns. Question is, will it happen soon, or later in. Hoping the courts decide soon, I'm pretty sure John has some political pull. Am I right. Pat may have trusted Ellis, but the Kids can trust JE.

    It's what should go down. The negativity that clouded our franchise, were the decisions and lack of clarity that Ellis imposed. It's what I see, not any truth, but we sure did set this up to be highly possible and the tides will turn if this happens.

    Ps, I only put Von in the deal to make it look a little less of a RIP off, and basically we could use the cash.

    Pick 2, Bosa. Pick 10 Lock.
    Roby and Ray are not under contract for next year. They will be free agents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conannilsen View Post
    Here's what I see, Lock at 10.

    Trade Von, Roby, and Ray for this and next years firsts from the 49ers.

    Why?

    Because we learned from Josh, that you can really set your old club up with gm control.

    The outcome, A Bowlen becomes owner. Ellis let go. Elway takes advisor role. Lynch becomes GM, Mike Shanahan becomes head coach, Kyle OC, Everyone falls back into their strongest roles.

    So the deal gets Lynch fired now, and everything aligns. Question is, will it happen soon, or later in. Hoping the courts decide soon, I'm pretty sure John has some political pull. Am I right. Pat may have trusted Ellis, but the Kids can trust JE.

    It's what should go down. The negativity that clouded our franchise, were the decisions and lack of clarity that Ellis imposed. It's what I see, not any truth, but we sure did set this up to be highly possible and the tides will turn if this happens.

    Ps, I only put Von in the deal to make it look a little less of a RIP off, and basically we could use the cash.

    Pick 2, Bosa. Pick 10 Lock.
    Two of those players are free agents. Not sure teams would trade draft picks for a player that could just sign? And Ray and Roby combined would be worth a mid round pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by conannilsen View Post
    Here's what I see, Lock at 10.

    Trade Von, Roby, and Ray for this and next years firsts from the 49ers.

    Why?

    Because we learned from Josh, that you can really set your old club up with gm control.

    The outcome, A Bowlen becomes owner. Ellis let go. Elway takes advisor role. Lynch becomes GM, Mike Shanahan becomes head coach, Kyle OC, Everyone falls back into their strongest roles.

    So the deal gets Lynch fired now, and everything aligns. Question is, will it happen soon, or later in. Hoping the courts decide soon, I'm pretty sure John has some political pull. Am I right. Pat may have trusted Ellis, but the Kids can trust JE.

    It's what should go down. The negativity that clouded our franchise, were the decisions and lack of clarity that Ellis imposed. It's what I see, not any truth, but we sure did set this up to be highly possible and the tides will turn if this happens.

    Ps, I only put Von in the deal to make it look a little less of a RIP off, and basically we could use the cash.

    Pick 2, Bosa. Pick 10 Lock.
    I know this entire thing is a joke, but I still have to reply (twice) what have Shanahan and Lynch (in particular) done that makes people want them? Shanahan has a worse record than Joseph, and Lynch has not done a great job building a team. Both would probably be one season away from being unemployed if they hadn't convinced the team to give them 6 year contracts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    I know this entire thing is a joke, but I still have to reply (twice) what have Shanahan and Lynch (in particular) done that makes people want them? Shanahan has a worse record than Joseph, and Lynch has not done a great job building a team. Both would probably be one season away from being unemployed if they hadn't convinced the team to give them 6 year contracts.
    Because what happened behind the scenes is just much responsible for the morale of the club the last 2 years. Lynch, because John will be his boss and they have a great relationship. Why Mike and Kyle, because they can score and worked with all 3 staff we have. Who no experienced OC DC or HC? Because maybe the organization needs stability upstairs, so we can see stability on the field. Mike and Vic Assistant head coaches of O and D. Each calls their own play. Kyle and his mentees are all here. Fangios and his are all here.

    Pretty easy to see that.

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    And Lynch because he gets rewarded for helping both the 49ers and Broncos Reload. That's why I say they do this right in the end. Don't wanna rip them off, but Garroppolo and Kyle for Von and 10 is a fair deal.

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    Keep Keenum for backup, that's a bit of stability too. I'd love if he'd sign back to be the backup too. Theres a lot of Kubiak in Keenum.

    Stability is key. Would love to see it in all areas. That's how we get Accountability as we said we wanted this year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by conannilsen View Post
    Because what happened behind the scenes is just much responsible for the morale of the club the last 2 years. Lynch, because John will be his boss and they have a great relationship. Why Mike and Kyle, because they can score and worked with all 3 staff we have. Who no experienced OC DC or HC? Because maybe the organization needs stability upstairs, so we can see stability on the field. Mike and Vic Assistant head coaches of O and D. Each calls their own play. Kyle and his mentees are all here. Fangios and his are all here.

    Pretty easy to see that.
    So you want stability up top by moving the coaches we just brought in, moving the GM to a ceremonial role and then bringing in a new GM and coach that have shown nothing in their current roles? I mean I could get onboard with Shanahan being the OC in 2020 if he gets fired during/after 2019, which he should if they don't get better. But the entire thing just seems like a recipe for disaster, even in the remote fantasy of the entire thing.

    Fangio and Shanahan have never worked together. Shanahan has ties to only 1 coach on the Broncos current staff. I fail to see how he fits in with the current group?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtown53 View Post
    If Denver has Lock ahead of Haskins, then they are the only people who do. And remember, Denver had Osweiler ahead of Dak Prescott. Just look at the QBs that this FO has taken. It's been pathetic. Moving up in the Draft to take Lynch? How far did that set this Franchise back? And Lynch had a "large frame and a big arm", too. From top to bottom, they have been terrible. So when I hear the suggestion that everybody has Haskins as the #1 QB, and that the Broncos have Lock ahead of Haskins, pardon me for not having a good feeling about that.

    With that being said, I will support whoever ends up being the 2019 QB as we all know that EVERY college QB taken in the Draft is a complete and total crap-shoot.
    When was the last time Denver drafted a QB inside the top 10????

    You base everything off of mock drafts.....you really think 32 GMs are going to leak to a bunch of "info" to some mock draft specialist? All their "info" is nothing but speculation.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    When was the last time Denver drafted a QB inside the top 10????

    You base everything off of mock drafts.....you really think 32 GMs are going to leak to a bunch of "info" to some mock draft specialist? All their "info" is nothing but speculation.
    Never. CUTLER at 11 is the closest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diggs4 View Post
    Never. CUTLER at 11 is the closest.
    That's my point, they've never taken a chance on a top 10 talent.....always the 4th or 5th best option.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    That's my point, they've never taken a chance on a top 10 talent.....always the 4th or 5th best option.
    Touche good sir

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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    That's my point, they've never taken a chance on a top 10 talent.....always the 4th or 5th best option.
    Iíve only seen Denver have a top 10 pick 3 times in the last 35 years that I can recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    Haskins is a 1 year starter who benefitted from playing on a team that always had better players than the opposition, and played for a coach not well known for developing NFL QBs. In his biggest game of the year his o-line gave him all of the time in the world. Now that's not his fault by any means, but when you look back at that game he never faced pressure and all he did was throw which ever crossing route was open. He's got question marks around him as well.

    I've actually read nothing about "everyone" having Haskins first, I've read that it's very split.

    As for the Lock v Lynch comparisons, I don't think that's relevant. Lock has played in a pro style offense, he's considered to have excellent abilities, and he's considered a hard worker and very smart. They compare him to Jay Cutler but with a much more coachable personality.
    I see you constantly praising Mayfield, talking about how good of a quarterback he is, and I agree, but these exact same criticisms were used on him ? People have a short memory and apply different measuring sticks to different players. Yes, Haskins had a superior team to his opponents, but he still showed a lot of traits of a top rated quarterback regardless of this. I don't love him by any means, I do like him, and I do like Lock, but Lock was way more inconsistent, and he has some downright ugly performances, often against good football teams.

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    How would Drew Lock be available at number 10 when there are four other QB starved teams selecting in the top 7?

    If the raiders are intent on finding a new QB, they could potentially take Lock ahead of Haskins at number 4. However Letís say for a moment that they do select Haskins then that still leaves the Buccaneers at 5, the Giants at 6, and The Jaguars at 7 all needing a QB.

    One of those teams will trade for Folles, one May trade for Flacco while one could draft Kyler Murray. Perhaps one of them will have Daniel Jones rated higher than Lock however that is all a long shot.

    If Elway truly loves Lock, then he really needs to find a way to move up from 10 to atleast 3 but is that to high to draft Lock? Not if Elway is truly enamored with him.

    I almost feel as if there is already a deal In Place between Denver and San Francisco but in all reality what would that trade consist of?

    I donít believe that Lynch and Shanahan are just going to gift wrap or give away a top pick, there has to be something or someone big involved in order for Elway to make this happen but what or who?

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