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    Quote Originally Posted by gtown53 View Post
    Why do your Posts seem so familiar to me. That's a rhetorical question. I'll figure that out.

    It's easy to list the names of QBs who have been successful, or were a early Top 5 1st Round Picks, after the fact. Why don't we get YOU on the record for which QB YOU would Draft at #10. And we will see how that works out. I'll save this Thread, and we will come back to it in a year.

    "Haha...stop."
    Fair enough. Iím in the camp that feels this QB class is a little weak. I would like to target Fromm or Tua in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    I love Elway and I have nothing against Flacco the person, I'm just tired of free agent rentals. I am hoping that we still draft a QB this draft, let Flacco do his thing this year and then cut him next offseason
    This for the most part. Although reading up on this QB draft class isnít as encouraging as last yearís. I like the idea of getting a QB in 2020.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    This for the most part. Although reading up on this QB draft class isn’t as encouraging as last year’s. I like the idea of getting a QB in 2020.
    2017? was suppost to be bad and now mahomes and watson both look like stars. it is not a real science and there are some really good projects. i really like Kyler Murray.
    Last edited by Kyousukeneko; 02-17-2019 at 04:53 PM.

    oakland raders gm
    latavis murray trade bait

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    2015 was suppost to be bad and now mahomes and watson both look like stars. it is not a real science and there are some really good projects. i really like Kyler Murray.
    Thatís a good point. Iím not convinced at all that the scouting community has the QBís figured out. Wouldnít surprise me at all if Murray ends up being good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    Ok, hereís another part that bugs me. Say this all works out and Broncos are competitive next year. Iím skeptical but who knows. Thereís still part of it that bugs me when we are taking on a QB who has played his entire career with another franchise. We havenít cheered for Flacco since the beginning. As fans, we have no history with him in the league. We know who he is but we havenít gone through the ups and downs of his career like we did with Elway. Isnít that what made Super Bowl 32 so special? That was the pinnacle of a career and my peak as a Broncos fan personally. I want our guy. Iím hoping that Elway and company are focusing on 2020 at the very least. I hope itís not a strategy where we just bring in an aging veteran and take another shot every year. Iím perfectly OK going through the growing pains of a rookie if that means heís our guy for the next 15 years.
    I think itís fair to be skeptical considering whatís happened since Manning retired. Sanchez was cut in preseason after failing to win the job over Siemian. The next season produced five wins with Siemian, Osweiler and Lynch. Elway signed Keenum for two years with $25 million guaranteed. The Broncos scratched out six wins and have all but officially moved on from Keenum.

    If the trade goes through it appears Flacco will be the quarterback in 2019 - not a Lock because his salary isnít guaranteed. Elway could draft a quarterback. I appreciate Flaccoís loyal fans providing insights beyond the top-line statistics. If Flacco starts (odds are he will), Elway needs to bolster the O-line to protect Flacco. The hiring of Mike Munchak points to bolstering the line and hopefully the acquisition of talent in the Draft and Free Agency.

    Back to the part about being skeptical - nothing wrong with questioning the move. No need for everyone to agree. Long way to go in the process. One thing we have on our side - Flacco gets a fresh start in Denver and the opportunity to prove he can lead the Broncos to the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    This for the most part. Although reading up on this QB draft class isnít as encouraging as last yearís. I like the idea of getting a QB in 2020.
    So why so bitter about the Flacco move? Having them reach for a QB this year will not make the team better. Maybe they still take a QB at 10 but at least with this move we have options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW7 View Post
    So why so bitter about the Flacco move? Having them reach for a QB this year will not make the team better. Maybe they still take a QB at 10 but at least with this move we have options.
    Iím fine with the move however a trade for Flacco wasnít the only path for options. Keeping Keenum did not mean Elway had to reach for a quarterback. Keenumís salary and signing bonus for 2019 is $21 million. Cutting Keenum and keeping Flacco will be $28 million against the cap (lower if Keenum signs with another team). $28 million at the quarterback position is a lot relative to Flaccoís recent production.

    The Broncos have options trading for Flacco but it comes at a higher hit to the cap unless they cut him before the season (doubt that happens). Not to mention losing a 4th round pick. The 4th round pick isnít a lot however every pick can make a difference. I remember when the Broncos traded DT many here including myself were quite pleased with getting a 4th round pick. Why is a 4th round pick suddenly meaningless?

    In terms of using the #10 pick for the BPA, offensive lineman, CB, ILB or DT - all options without trading for Flacco. Trading down was an option without trading for Flacco.

    Again, Iím fine with the trade and believe Flacco can help make the Broncos more competitive. At the same time itís not as if we had to get him to have options. Keenum only had one year left on his contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    Fair enough. I’m in the camp that feels this QB class is a little weak. I would like to target Fromm or Tua in 2020.
    So why not take the opportunity right now to upgrade the QB position with a veteran that is also a better fit for the Offense you want to install? Maybe I'm just not getting what your point is.

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    Since his super bowl run, he has been the worst starting QB over that period of time, I don't quite get the move for you guys.

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    Quote Originally Posted by listopencil View Post
    So why not take the opportunity right now to upgrade the QB position with a veteran that is also a better fit for the Offense you want to install? Maybe I'm just not getting what your point is.
    Because I feel itís a minimal upgrade that wonít amount to much. Flacco is still bottom 5 in league. He was pretty good, never great....but that time was years ago. Him and Eli are in a similar category for me.

    Now Broncos have more money tied up in the position and lose that 4th round pick broncos got for Thomas. I thought the Thomas trade was good. Get younger, dump some salary, build for the future, etc..... But now, all they essentially did was trade one aging declining veteran for another aging declining veteran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hatake. View Post
    Since his super bowl run, he has been the worst starting QB over that period of time, I don't quite get the move for you guys.
    Yep, agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fantaztic7 View Post
    I think itís fair to be skeptical considering whatís happened since Manning retired. Sanchez was cut in preseason after failing to win the job over Siemian. The next season produced five wins with Siemian, Osweiler and Lynch. Elway signed Keenum for two years with $25 million guaranteed. The Broncos scratched out six wins and have all but officially moved on from Keenum.

    If the trade goes through it appears Flacco will be the quarterback in 2019 - not a Lock because his salary isnít guaranteed. Elway could draft a quarterback. I appreciate Flaccoís loyal fans providing insights beyond the top-line statistics. If Flacco starts (odds are he will), Elway needs to bolster the O-line to protect Flacco. The hiring of Mike Munchak points to bolstering the line and hopefully the acquisition of talent in the Draft and Free Agency.

    Back to the part about being skeptical - nothing wrong with questioning the move. No need for everyone to agree. Long way to go in the process. One thing we have on our side - Flacco gets a fresh start in Denver and the opportunity to prove he can lead the Broncos to the playoffs.
    Good point on the O-line. Flacco is very immobile. Munchack will have his work cut out for him, especially now that it looks like Paradis is walking. I donít think we have stability at any of the 5 positions now. Bolles still holding/tackling guys all the time, Leary is probably gone, Veldheer will maybe be OK. I donít know. You canít look at any spot on the line and say, ďThat spot is taken care of.Ē

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    Flacco:
    18 TD
    13 INT
    3141 yards
    80.4 Rate

    Keenum:
    18 TD
    15 INT
    3890 yards
    81.2 Rate

    Comparison to Keenum in with Flaccoís last full season. Both are 16 games.

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    Playoff stats:
    Joe Flacco
    10 Playoff wins. One Super Bowl Win.
    (10th All-time)
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    Case Keenum
    1 playoff win.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    Flacco:
    18 TD
    13 INT
    3141 yards
    80.4 Rate

    Keenum:
    18 TD
    15 INT
    3890 yards
    81.2 Rate

    Comparison to Keenum in with Flacco’s last full season. Both are 16 games.
    I made this point in the other QB thread, I'll make it here as well.

    Last season, when Keenum's attempt number went over a specific number passes, we lost, period. Last year our running game went through periods of being ineffective or under utilized. A big part of this was that nobody in the world respects Keenum's deep arm. He's a noodle armed weakling.

    Even if Flacco puts up similar numbers to Keenum, he can lob the ball down field with velocity and make deep throws. Keenum can't. This forces defenses to be honest and will help the run game by limiting the stacked boxes they'll see.

    Look at the end of last season the way our run game really tapered off... A lot of that was the fact that Keenum SUCKS trying to throw over 15ish yards.

    Flacco's not a great option at QB, but he is an upgrade in our offense because he will have the ability to stretch the field from time to time to keep defenses honest and allow Lindsay, Freeman and Booker to do their jobs.

    We don't need Flacco to be a world beater, we need our running game and defense to be strong. Flacco does help the running game because of his arm.


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