View Poll Results: Nose Tackle in 2019

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  • Adam Gotsis

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  • Shelby Harris

    7 38.89%
  • Jonathan Hankins

    3 16.67%
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    Adam Gotsis vs Shelby Harris vs Jonathan Hankins?

    So news came out last week that the Broncos would not elect to resign the once great Domata Peko! Soon afterwards, news broke that
    the Broncos would target Jonathan Hankins to play nose in Denver. Iím not sure Iíd agree with persuing Hankins since we have and IMO two very capable replacements in Adam Gotsis and Shelby Harris!

    Now weíve all seen Harris in action and we can all understand that he can be a Malik Jackson type interior pass rusher. Very strong immovable force.

    Another scenario would be to move Adam Gotsis who is a better pass rusher to NT. Why not ask him to add 15 to 20lbs and plug him in with Harris and Wolfe outside at DE?

    We save money and weíre growing from within. Yes I understand Shelby was a free agent signing but the guy is already on the team and we could extend him now with zero competition from other teams.
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    As long as we keep both. I am happy. I like both and think they can be long term pieces of the team
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    If youíre asking a guy to be the nose, arenít you asking him to be a 0 or a 1 technique?

    Doesnít Fangio typically favor a two gap style of defense?

    Iím not sure the Broncos are still looking for a Malik Jackson type player.
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    Neither Gotsis or Harris is an option IMHO, both are good DE in a 3 DL look or a DT in a 4 DL look but they aren't the space eaters needed at 2 Gap NT

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    If youíre asking a guy to be the nose, arenít you asking him to be a 0 or a 1 technique?

    Doesnít Fangio typically favor a two gap style of defense?

    Iím not sure the Broncos are still looking for a Malik Jackson type player.
    You make a very good point. Iím somewhat lead to believe that the Broncos are wanting big bodied men in the interior right now, not so much pass rushers like Jackson but big bodied men in the Sam Adams/Tony Saragusa type role.

    This would be perfect if they were able to draft somebody like Delvin white.

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    After Zach Kerr was great in a rotational role, and actually an upgrade over Derek Wolfe when he was in the game for him this past season, I am hoping he is back as well. But, all of these guys, Derek Wolfe, Zach Harris, Shelby Harris, and Adam Gotsis, they are all ends in an odd front, so we are really set at that position if we go into the season with all 4 of these guys on the roster. I personally would cut Wolfe, but that probably won't happen now.

    Adding someone like Hankins is just adding to the pot, and I don't see it taking anything away from these guys you mentioned. Even if we play out of an even front, it opens up more opportunities to play with personnel with DeMarcus Walker, and Shelby Harris inside, keeping someone like Jonathan Hankins rotating and fresh. Hankins is a prototypical 0 technique in an odd front defense, and I don't see it like if we add him, we are letting go or hurting Shelby Harris in the process. The defensive line needs to have a lot of bodies, and adding a big body like that makes sense. I would prefer to go the draft route as this class is deep at defensive tackle, but adding talent there none the less would be good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdhdiggs View Post
    Neither Gotsis or Harris is an option IMHO, both are good DE in a 3 DL look or a DT in a 4 DL look but they aren't the space eaters needed at 2 Gap NT
    agreed. That's why I voted Hankins. I would also add a draft pick for that position

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    You make a very good point. I’m somewhat lead to believe that the Broncos are wanting big bodied men in the interior right now, not so much pass rushers like Jackson but big bodied men in the Sam Adams/Tony Saragusa type role.

    This would be perfect if they were able to draft somebody like Delvin white.
    But you need both because of different scenarios. So much of the game is spent in nickel and dime packages (where the Broncos will have 2 interior linemen and 2 stand up ends) that you can't just roll out your base and use them for most situations, like the Ravens did that year.

    Hankins is your 0 tech/1 tech for base run downs. Gotsis and Wolfe would be your starting 4/5 technique ends int hat scenario. Harris is a guy who would probably be on the field as an interior lineman in all sub packages, and could rotate through as a 4/5 tech end in base packages. Kerr and Hankins would be good as the two 0/1 techs (starter and backup) with the interior guys being Harris/Wolfe/Gotsis and possibly Walker in sub packages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdhdiggs View Post
    Neither Gotsis or Harris is an option IMHO, both are good DE in a 3 DL look or a DT in a 4 DL look but they aren't the space eaters needed at 2 Gap NT
    This^^^^^^^^^^

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    The question is pretty specific about a "Nose Tackle". Shelby Harris isn't a Nose Tackle. Jonathan Hankins is a Nose Tackle. So, the question is somewhat .......... meaningless. The bad news is that although Hankins is young, he will cost any team big bucks. And that doesn't fit in with John Elway's philosophy of finding young players in FA who will be a bargain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtown53 View Post
    The question is pretty specific about a "Nose Tackle". Shelby Harris isn't a Nose Tackle. Jonathan Hankins is a Nose Tackle. So, the question is somewhat .......... meaningless. The bad news is that although Hankins is young, he will cost any team big bucks. And that doesn't fit in with John Elway's philosophy of finding young players in FA who will be a bargain.
    I don't think he will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtown53 View Post
    The bad news is that although Hankins is young, he will cost any team big bucks. And that doesn't fit in with John Elway's philosophy of finding young players in FA who will be a bargain.
    Is that Elways philosophy on free agents ? Recently, and I mean the past 3 years, it has been more to acquire older washed up players and if anything, give them more money than they deserve, and hoping they some how buck the downward trend there career was on. Guys like Domato Peko, Donald Stephenson, Jared Veldheer, Menelik Watson, and Tramaine Brock for example.

    Who has Elway signed who is young and a bargain recently ? Even when Elway was good at putting together free agent groups, it was young guys in terms of veterans, but they were not bargains by any stretch. Aqib Talib, TJ Ward, and DeMarcus Ware, they were all making top dollar and market value. The only young players I ever recall Elway bringing in for bargain prices were Emmanuel Sanders, and Darien Stewert, and that was not recently. Am I missing something ?

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    For the past four years Denver's D has played one gap control/spill runs to the sideline. Sounds like Fangio will be switching to two gap read/funnel runs to the middle. That's a big deal. In order to play two gap several things are needed: 0 tech Nose Tackles who command a double and not be moved while they read the blocks; OLBs/standup DEs who can turn runs inside; 4/5 techs who can assist in setting the edge by either playing two gap if 4 or Pinch if 5; Inside Backers who can make the series of reads keying the uncovered Guards in overlapping triangles of responsibility.

    If that's the style Denver will play, they need to find guys to fit those front seven spots with depth. As far as this thread is concerned, a couple of Nose Tackles with plenty of lead in their butts will be needed in rotation. When passing down personnel packages are on the field, the 0 tech will probably be off. On first down and short yardage downs and in GL D, 0 will need to be on the field.

    The only named guy on the above poll who is a 0 tech is Hankins who is currently an UFA. Zach Kerr is also an UFA and could possibly be a 0 tech. Shelby Harris is a RFA whom Denver will most likely keep, but he wouldn't be a base defense 0 tech. He's more of a base 4/5 tech who would line up inside on passing downs since that is his forte. The same could be said for Adam Gotsis. It's a good year to draft a 0 tech as there are a bunch of them in the pool.

    Denver doesn't have a 0 tech currently on the roster, so they'll need a couple if they switch to two gap run D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    For the past four years Denver's D has played one gap control/spill runs to the sideline. Sounds like Fangio will be switching to two gap read/funnel runs to the middle. That's a big deal. In order to play two gap several things are needed: 0 tech Nose Tackles who command a double and not be moved while they read the blocks; OLBs/standup DEs who can turn runs inside; 4/5 techs who can assist in setting the edge by either playing two gap if 4 or Pinch if 5; Inside Backers who can make the series of reads keying the uncovered Guards in overlapping triangles of responsibility.

    If that's the style Denver will play, they need to find guys to fit those front seven spots with depth. As far as this thread is concerned, a couple of Nose Tackles with plenty of lead in their butts will be needed in rotation. When passing down personnel packages are on the field, the 0 tech will probably be off. On first down and short yardage downs and in GL D, 0 will need to be on the field.

    The only named guy on the above poll who is a 0 tech is Hankins who is currently an UFA. Zach Kerr is also an UFA and could possibly be a 0 tech. Shelby Harris is a RFA whom Denver will most likely keep, but he wouldn't be a base defense 0 tech. He's more of a base 4/5 tech who would line up inside on passing downs since that is his forte. The same could be said for Adam Gotsis. It's a good year to draft a 0 tech as there are a bunch of them in the pool.

    Denver doesn't have a 0 tech currently on the roster, so they'll need a couple if they switch to two gap run D.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    For the past four years Denver's D has played one gap control/spill runs to the sideline. Sounds like Fangio will be switching to two gap read/funnel runs to the middle. That's a big deal. In order to play two gap several things are needed: 0 tech Nose Tackles who command a double and not be moved while they read the blocks; OLBs/standup DEs who can turn runs inside; 4/5 techs who can assist in setting the edge by either playing two gap if 4 or Pinch if 5; Inside Backers who can make the series of reads keying the uncovered Guards in overlapping triangles of responsibility.

    If that's the style Denver will play, they need to find guys to fit those front seven spots with depth. As far as this thread is concerned, a couple of Nose Tackles with plenty of lead in their butts will be needed in rotation. When passing down personnel packages are on the field, the 0 tech will probably be off. On first down and short yardage downs and in GL D, 0 will need to be on the field.

    The only named guy on the above poll who is a 0 tech is Hankins who is currently an UFA. Zach Kerr is also an UFA and could possibly be a 0 tech. Shelby Harris is a RFA whom Denver will most likely keep, but he wouldn't be a base defense 0 tech. He's more of a base 4/5 tech who would line up inside on passing downs since that is his forte. The same could be said for Adam Gotsis. It's a good year to draft a 0 tech as there are a bunch of them in the pool.

    Denver doesn't have a 0 tech currently on the roster, so they'll need a couple if they switch to two gap run D.
    That's the issue though, more teams would probably two gap if the 0 tech were an easy position to find. But good ones are rare.

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