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    Shelby Harris: 6'2" and 290 pounds, Ed Oliver: 6'2" and 287 pounds. What?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverBlood View Post
    You say this like Elway has never whiffed on a QB before. Oh wait. He has done it more than he has gotten it right.

    Itís funny people want to point to only the Broncos and Ravens from last year as a selling point on Joe. Which yes i watched all of by the way. As if that 1 game overrides the other 6 years of games where Iíve watched him be plenty bad.

    Yes Elway is a professional
    Yes you are correct I am not
    You are not either.

    You siding with Elway does not make him or you correct either.
    I'm convinced Flacco was brought in to basically be a bridge QB like Keenum until the qb we pick with our 1st pick is ready.

    Flacco won't be as bad as Keenum but he might be close.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Houshmazode View Post
    I'm convinced Flacco was brought in to basically be a bridge QB like Keenum until the qb we pick with our 1st pick is ready.

    Flacco won't be as bad as Keenum but he might be close.
    Like ive said before if flac is just a bridge for a first rd qb this im not going to be happy. Why waste the dead money from keenum then? To me that just doesnt make sense. He shouldve kept case amd started the rookie qb at some point this year

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    Quote Originally Posted by listopencil View Post
    Shelby Harris: 6'2" and 290 pounds, Ed Oliver: 6'2" and 287 pounds. What?
    Does Fangio run a one gap scheme or a two gap scheme?

    If itís two gap, do you really want Harris as the 0 or 1 tech?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chillez View Post
    Oliver fits Fangioís defense just fine not sure why you think other wise.
    what position?

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    Does Fangio run a one gap scheme or a two gap scheme?

    If it’s two gap, do you really want Harris as the 0 or 1 tech?
    From what I've seen, one gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    Oliver does not possess the ideal size in terms of height and body figure for a NT or a 1-tech. He does have incredible athleticism that gives him the ability to be quick off the line to generate inside pressure, as well as having elite strength to hog up space and take on two blockers in the middle.

    Fangio is a creative guy. He will find a way to maximize Oliver's talents and skills.
    That is absolutely not his strength. That would probably be his worst role on a Dline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by armedequation View Post
    Like ive said before if flac is just a bridge for a first rd qb this im not going to be happy. Why waste the dead money from keenum then? To me that just doesnt make sense. He shouldve kept case amd started the rookie qb at some point this year
    Flacco had two extra years on his contract with zero guranteed money. That in of itself is valuable. Let's say the rookie isn't ready or is injured, you have a guy in place. It creates financial flexibility, and you get the guy you believe fits your system better. Let's say Flacco plays pretty good, and we have a rookie QB. Let him sit, and then flip Flacco ala Alex Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HDbroncos02 View Post
    Oliver does not possess the ideal size in terms of height and body figure for a NT or a 1-tech. He does have incredible athleticism that gives him the ability to be quick off the line to generate inside pressure, as well as having elite strength to hog up space and take on two blockers in the middle.

    Fangio is a creative guy. He will find a way to maximize Oliver's talents and skills.
    In an odd front two gap D, the 0/1/2/3 tech needs to command a double. That is not a requisite if run D is one gap. One style is read and react; the other is attack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samparnell View Post
    Initially there was some confusion over whether Fangio's run D would be one or two gap with some expecting the latter. However, there is reason to believe that Fangio's run D will be one gap.

    http://www.milehighreport.com/2019/3...rr-work-as-nts

    If Fangio's D plays one gap, it will be a good thing because that's what Denver has played for the past four years. Swiching to two gap is a major project.
    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    Does Fangio run a one gap scheme or a two gap scheme?

    If it’s two gap, do you really want Harris as the 0 or 1 tech?
    We'll know when the preseason games begin but, at the moment, it sounds like one gap/spill run D which is what Denver has run the past four years. Switching to two gap requires a couple of big 0 techs who command a double, and Inside Backers who can read blocks and take angles in overlapping triangles of responsibility. Not switching to two gap/funnel will take less time for Fangio to bring the D up to speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    That is absolutely not his strength. That would probably be his worst role on a Dline.
    Right, if it's two gap. Ed Oliver is a one gap D-Lineman because that's what he does best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KWHIT97 View Post
    Oliver does not fit Fangio's defense. The draft is quite simple. if White is available at 10 you take him, if Haskins is available at 10 you take him, if neither are you take Devin Bush. See, it's not that hard.
    You can be snarky all you want but if all 3 are gone before 10 then what smart guy? You have no idea yet how the first 9 picks are going to pan out. Itís harder than you claim if all of your wishlist is gone by 10. Which could very easily happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the0rangecrush View Post
    Flacco had two extra years on his contract with zero guranteed money. That in of itself is valuable. Let's say the rookie isn't ready or is injured, you have a guy in place. It creates financial flexibility, and you get the guy you believe fits your system better. Let's say Flacco plays pretty good, and we have a rookie QB. Let him sit, and then flip Flacco ala Alex Smith.
    To add onto this, bringing in Flacco also tells the team that they're trying to get better. The team saw Keenum stink it up and if we drafted a rookie top 10, the team would be calling for said rookie by week 2. It would divide the locker room if Keenum was anything but great. Flacco will have a bit longer of a leash, due to having had some sort of "success" in the past as well as him not yet failing in front of everyone here yet. He has a clean slate.

    John Elway just saw Keenum lead to the team to a 6-10 season, he probably thinks Flacco is a couple games better. Flacco comes in a keeps the ship afloat while the rookie gets ready. Helps prevent us from being completely awful, instead middling around 8-8.

    But really I think the ability to cut him without dead money is the most beneficial aspect. If the rookie is ready next season, we can move on from Flacco. If he's not, Flacco stays. We essentially have a year-to-year contract with him for the next three years.

    Plus Flacco has experience being benched for a 1st round QB, that's worth something right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Papa-pwn View Post
    To add onto this, bringing in Flacco also tells the team that they're trying to get better. The team saw Keenum stink it up and if we drafted a rookie top 10, the team would be calling for said rookie by week 2. It would divide the locker room if Keenum was anything but great. Flacco will have a bit longer of a leash, due to having had some sort of "success" in the past as well as him not yet failing in front of everyone here yet. He has a clean slate.

    John Elway just saw Keenum lead to the team to a 6-10 season, he probably thinks Flacco is a couple games better. Flacco comes in a keeps the ship afloat while the rookie gets ready. Helps prevent us from being completely awful, instead middling around 8-8.

    But really I think the ability to cut him without dead money is the most beneficial aspect. If the rookie is ready next season, we can move on from Flacco. If he's not, Flacco stays. We essentially have a year-to-year contract with him for the next three years.

    Plus Flacco has experience being benched for a 1st round QB, that's worth something right?
    McShay and Kiper combine mock projects Devin Bush at 10. Says Elway will prefer someone who can help them win now over Lock who likely wouldnít play this year. Which is what a lot of us said he should do.

    They have Finley to us in the third round saying he reads defenses better than anyone in the draft. If we did that itís very unlikely a rookie would come in this year. So the expectation would be that Flacco needs to carry the load this year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DenverBlood View Post
    McShay and Kiper combine mock projects Devin Bush at 10. Says Elway will prefer someone who can help them win now over Lock who likely wouldnít play this year. Which is what a lot of us said he should do.

    They have Finley to us in the third round saying he reads defenses better than anyone in the draft. If we did that itís very unlikely a rookie would come in this year. So the expectation would be that Flacco needs to carry the load this year.
    Yeah, I don't buy it. Too many analysts are trying to overthink this. Flacco was not brought in to "win now", Elway has no delusions of grandeur. Flacco was brought in to hopefully be "not terrible" while a rookie is groomed to supplant him.

    We didn't give much up for Flacco, and his 18.5m salary is just as affordable as:

    1) Glennon's 15m AAV he got from the Bears in 2017, the same year they traded up to #2 for Trubisky

    2) Bradford's 17.5m AAV from Philadelphia in 2016, the same year they traded up to #2 for Wentz. They also signed Chase Daniels to a 3 year 21m deal that same offseason.

    3) Tyrod Taylor's 16m he got from Cleveland last year after they traded an early 3rd round pick for him the same offseason they took Mayfield 1st overall.

    I look for Elway to follow this trend.
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