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    now all they have to do is do away with the spot foul concept and make it 15 yards and 1st down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    now all they have to do is do away with the spot foul concept and make it 15 yards and 1st down.
    But That would make it too hard on the patriots.

    I actually oppose the rule change!

    Denver went out and signed Bryce Callahan, Kareem Jackson and will restructure CHJ...

    Whatís the point now?

    There are going to be so many challenges throughout the year, from these cry baby coaching staffs.

    Sure thereíll only be so many challenges however weíre still going to see so many yellow flags. Bump coverage at the line of scrimmage is going to be a thing of the past now and all because some idiot officiating crew was told ďdonít go over board. Itís the NFL playoffs, allow these teams to playĒ.

    So in turn the idiots didnít know enough to call a penalty when it was obvious interference.

    It all starts with Goodell and I believe itís time for him to be relieved of his duties. NFL owners need to understand the joke that the league has become under his tenure!
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    I donít like non-calls being reviewable.

    I think only called penalties should be challengeable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    I don’t like non-calls being reviewable.

    I think only called penalties should be challengeable.
    I like it even less with refs deciding games wether by accident on other by not calling them.
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    I personally think the refs should not report to Goodell or the people in charge of the money. I personally think they should be put under seperate board made up of players , players and refs or players refs and owners. But they definitely should not be reporting to peoples whose interest could be swayed by the greater amount of publicity or money rather than the greater good of the game. At least it might be fairer then. I might get slammed for that but it is my opinion. I also think there should be a system in place to hold them accountable and to go with it their should be a system in place to do ongoing training and evaluation, not just put out videos. I think that would require them to be full time employees and I think it would be a good thing for them to focus full time on being the best ref they can be. I also think there needs to be consistency, you shouldn't be changing rules on them mid season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    now all they have to do is do away with the spot foul concept and make it 15 yards and 1st down.
    So rather than give you an 80 yd touchdown, I can just foul you and you will get a 15 yd play. ABSOLUTELY NOT. Makes no sense. That is penalizing the non fouling team rather than the fouling team. CBs will be doing it left and right and I don't want to watch this brand of football. Liable to lessen the amount of long passes when many of them will only net you 15 yds and they are getting your best receivers mugged on a regular basis.

    Although, I bet Roby would love it
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    I like it even less with refs deciding games whether by accident or other by not calling them.
    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    I personally think the refs should not report to Goodell or the people in charge of the money. I personally think they should be put under seperate board made up of players , players and refs or players refs and owners. But they definitely should not be reporting to peoples whose interest could be swayed to by the greater amount of publicity or money rather than the greater good of the game. At least it might be fairer then. I might get slammed for that but it is my opinion. I also think there should be a system in place to hold them accountable and to go with it their should be a system in place to do ongoing training and evaluation, not just put out videos. I think that would require them to be full time employees and I think it would be a good thing for them to focus full time on being the best ref they can be. I also think there needs to be consistency, you shouldn't be changing rules on them mid season.
    I agree with you. Especially the first point, that games should not be decided by gross error on the part of refs. But to the rest, I also agree....refs should be like some form of justice department that is isolated from those with agenda. And for sure, full time.

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    Every time I see that non call in New Orleans, and I CAN NOT believe the red flags stayed in the pockets!!! It looks as bad or worse now. I know some folks may see it otherwise, but that missed call, in itself, resulted in the new rule decision.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    Every time I see that non call in New Orleans, and I CAN NOT believe the red flags stayed in the pockets!!! It looks as bad or worse now. I know some folks may see it otherwise, but that missed call, in itself, resulted in the new rule decision.
    Last year, they couldn't challenge non-calls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    Apparently offensive and defensive pass interference calls can now be challenged.

    http://bleacherreport.com/post/nfl-r...7-0d8221230ac3
    What if they aren't called? That probably would have helped out the Saints a lot more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    I personally think the refs should not report to Goodell or the people in charge of the money. I personally think they should be put under seperate board made up of players , players and refs or players refs and owners. But they definitely should not be reporting to peoples whose interest could be swayed by the greater amount of publicity or money rather than the greater good of the game. At least it might be fairer then. I might get slammed for that but it is my opinion. I also think there should be a system in place to hold them accountable and to go with it their should be a system in place to do ongoing training and evaluation, not just put out videos. I think that would require them to be full time employees and I think it would be a good thing for them to focus full time on being the best ref they can be. I also think there needs to be consistency, you shouldn't be changing rules on them mid season.
    Referees should never under any circumstances report to players.

    If anything, they should report to an independent third party chosen by the owners and the Executive Director of the NFLPA.

    However, thereís nothing wrong with them reporting to the league the way they do now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    Every time I see that non call in New Orleans, and I CAN NOT believe the red flags stayed in the pockets!!! It looks as bad or worse now. I know some folks may see it otherwise, but that missed call, in itself, resulted in the new rule decision.
    Quote Originally Posted by Peanut View Post
    Last year, they couldn't challenge non-calls.

    Unless you have the wrong color flag.
    Yes...I am aware of that. My point is that they are showing that specific play over and over, as part of the new ruling, and it looks as bad or worse than when it happened. That play is basically the reason for this rule change. That is why it was so blatant, in terms of it's impact and even worse, because the refs completely screwed up. The red flags I mentioned are the refs' flags, that somehow stayed in their pockets.

    But the game has now changed (from a rule perspective) because of their incompetence.

    Oh wait.....I said red flags and not yellow flags!! That's what you are telling me! I like to blame it on my age, but this was pure "lost in space" stuff. Colour blind perhaps??!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    Referees should never under any circumstances report to players.

    If anything, they should report to an independent third party chosen by the owners and the Executive Director of the NFLPA.

    However, there’s nothing wrong with them reporting to the league the way they do now.
    There is plenty wrong with it in my book including no accountability. There is a reason we keep having these discussions. There are plenty of examples of "questionable games" too. From the current Saints game to the Seahawks vs Steelers SB. I will agree to disagree, as far as I am concerned the current system stinks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FL BRONCO View Post
    There is plenty wrong with it in my book including no accountability. There is a reason we keep having these discussions. There are plenty of examples of "questionable games" too. From the current Saints game to the Seahawks vs Steelers SB. I will agree to disagree, as far as I am concerned the current system stinks.
    I hear ya. Refs are people, and make honest mistakes. But there has to be a sense of "getting it right" at all times, based on the criticality of the play. If folks at home can see an injustice, then someone on the field, or in the booth, has to overrule. I am not talking about a borderline call on the first play of the season, when a team has close to 60 minutes to overcome it, and another 15 games ahead. I am talking about obvious, potential game-changing mistakes on the part of the refs.

    I want to feel like any game I watch is won by the team who deserved it. Therefore the refs and those in control in the booths, have to work together to get it right.

    I am not talking constant reviews throughout the game....I am talking about refs being supported by an overseeing crew, who can quickly beep them to say that a review is required. Again, we're not talking about a marginal call, on a play of ordinary consequence. Common sense must prevail. But a play like we saw in New Orleans, which should have provided The Saints a set of downs with little time on the clock, would never be missed with the aid of the booth crew.

    Again....who cares how or why, just work together to get it right.

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    Being able to review PI calls are unnecessary and will just slow the game up even more. I think most people just want to see less flags thrown and the game to flow better. The refs should let play continue unless its a CLEAR infringement, if its close then keep your flag in your pocket and let players decide the game.

    They tend to let the playoffs flow better which generally leads to good games, I just don't understand why this isn't a season long concept.

    I love watching games where they let the players play, even if the Broncos don't get a call or two it doesn't matter because its how football should be played and makes the game much more watchable.

    I think the vast majority of fans would embrace this.

    I never like the annual 'rule change' meeting because they always involve more penalties, slows the game up, and takes away a bit more of what football really is. I never read about the changes and come away thinking they have made the game better, just worse.

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