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    what's funny is you all know deep down how pathetic elway has been building his team through the draft. the fact is the broncos have been sub-mediocre ever since manning hug em up and elway simply cannot replace him with even a average starting QB or even draft one PB player since von miller?. joe flacco is the best he can do, one of the worst QB's in the league over the last 5 years.

    but yes, do keep pointing to that ring the broncos won in 2015 while he runs your team into the ground, ive enjoyed the ride ever since i told you all this would happen right after the broncos won the SB and manning retired.

    "this would be elway's truest test as a GM" I said that and you all lost your damn minds. well guess what? he's failed that test so far and you all know it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    how many SB rings did elway buy with straight cash, homie?
    You do know how the salary cap works right?

    Elways built two teams that went to the SB.

    First team was the greatest regular season offense of all-time. ( Got crushed by a legendary defense)

    Second Team: Elway went back to drawing board and built one of the greatest defenses in NFL History.

    I donít think any Bronco fans think John Elway is the best GM, but heís what we got and itís a lot better than what your teams put together last 8 seasons

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    what's funny is you all know deep down how pathetic elway has been building his team through the draft. the fact is the broncos have been sub-mediocre ever since manning hug em up and elway simply cannot replace him with even a average starting QB or even draft one PB player since von miller?. joe flacco is the best he can do, one of the worst QB's in the league over the last 5 years.

    but yes, do keep pointing to that ring the broncos won in 2015 while he runs your team into the ground, ive enjoyed the ride ever since i told you all this would happen right after the broncos won the SB and manning retired.

    "this would be elway's truest test as a GM" I said that and you all lost your damn minds. well guess what? he's failed that test so far and you all know it.
    Elways truest test was taking over a 4-12 team and not only getting them back to the playoffs but winning a title. Sorry Elway hasnít built the Broncos the exact way you would have but heís gotten better results in 8 years than the Bolts, Raiders, and Chiefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    You do know how the salary cap works right?

    Elways built two teams that went to the SB.

    First team was the greatest regular season offense of all-time. ( Got crushed by a legendary defense)

    Second Team: Elway went back to drawing board and built one of the greatest defenses in NFL History.

    I don’t think any Bronco fans think John Elway is the best GM, but he’s what we got and it’s a lot better than what your teams put together last 8 seasons
    LOL @ elway building two different SB teams, you are really full of crap bro.

    literally all he did was write a couple big checks to bring in already established players and bring in wade philips. elway took over a team that had tons of cap room and was able to primarily buy his SB team through FA. the vast majority of his key players were bought through FA. It worked out for him because unlike most new NFL GM's, he took over a team that was in a great spot with the cap and one of the best QB's of all time fell in his lap.

    why isn't elway building his team the same way now??

    that would be because he can't, he is now forced to build his team just like everyone else.....primarily through the draft. the fact that he's been one of the worst GM's in the league in that regard is a big reason why the broncos have been going downhill. no, he's not doing better than what the chargers have right now, nobody but you homers believes that nonsense.

    If elway cannot figure out how to build his team through the draft, he will end up jobless, it's as simple as that. he cant buy a SB team like he did before, he can't buy an all time great QB again. he has to actually be smart and draft the right players and he has proven that he cannot do it so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    Elways truest test was taking over a 4-12 team and not only getting them back to the playoffs but winning a title. Sorry Elway hasn’t built the Broncos the exact way you would have but he’s gotten better results in 8 years than the Bolts, Raiders, and Chiefs.
    then why doesn't he do it again if it works for him? why isn't he writing big checks in FA to build his team again?

    you....are.....clueless.


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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    then why doesn't he do it again if it works for him? why isn't he writing big checks in FA to build his team again?

    you....are.....clueless.
    Heís working on it, but so are the other 31 GM.
    Elways built a great Offense, a great defense
    Won 5 division titles, 2 conference Titles and a Super Title in a 8 year span, and your response is do it again lol!!!!!!
    Put Telescoís resume up against Elways and get back to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    LOL @ elway building two different SB teams, you are really full of crap bro.

    literally all he did was write a couple big checks to bring in already established players and bring in wade philips. elway took over a team that had tons of cap room and was able to primarily buy his SB team through FA. the vast majority of his key players were bought through FA. It worked out for him because unlike most new NFL GM's, he took over a team that was in a great spot with the cap and one of the best QB's of all time fell in his lap.

    why isn't elway building his team the same way now??

    that would be because he can't, he is now forced to build his team just like everyone else.....primarily through the draft. the fact that he's been one of the worst GM's in the league in that regard is a big reason why the broncos have been going downhill. no, he's not doing better than what the chargers have right now, nobody but you homers believes that nonsense.

    If elway cannot figure out how to build his team through the draft, he will end up jobless, it's as simple as that. he cant buy a SB team like he did before, he can't buy an all time great QB again. he has to actually be smart and draft the right players and he has proven that he cannot do it so far.
    Call it whatever you want, explain to me if itís so easy why was Elway able to do in his 5th year as a GM but the Chargers havenít done it in 39 years?

    After seeing Elway own the Chargers as a player, and as a GM. Iíd figure you wouldnít still doubt him. Ask your boy Schottenheimer how under estimating Elway works out lol!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    what's funny is you all know deep down how pathetic elway has been building his team through the draft. the fact is the broncos have been sub-mediocre ever since manning hug em up and elway simply cannot replace him with even a average starting QB or even draft one PB player since von miller?. joe flacco is the best he can do, one of the worst QB's in the league over the last 5 years.

    but yes, do keep pointing to that ring the broncos won in 2015 while he runs your team into the ground, ive enjoyed the ride ever since i told you all this would happen right after the broncos won the SB and manning retired.

    "this would be elway's truest test as a GM" I said that and you all lost your damn minds. well guess what? he's failed that test so far and you all know it.
    Whatís retarded about your post and whole theory is how you ignore how bad the chargers would be without rivers...I can guarantee that had rivers hung it up a couple years ago your team would have struggled to win five games and you would be here making excuses for how hard it is to win after losing a pro bowl caliber qb !!

    You know it

    The fact is elway inherited a 4-12 team and within two years had a completely new team except for a couple wrs and a off lineman, less than five players that were on the team elway inherited from 2010 were on the 2013 SB team

    And turned around and did it again two years later

    In fact 37 of the 53 2015 SB roster were drafted or signed as CFA by elway, with at least five more plucked off other teams practice squad

    The Goal of Every Gm is to build a SB caliber team, get to the game and win it
    Elway has

    Telesco has failed to even get there to a afc title much less win it, he hasnít even won a west title... he hasnít done crap for all your bragging he canít even sweep the bronco team you state is so weak

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    Whatís retarded about your post and whole theory is how you ignore how bad the chargers would be without rivers...I can guarantee that had rivers hung it up a couple years ago your team would have struggled to win five games and you would be here making excuses for how hard it is to win after losing a pro bowl caliber qb !!

    You know it

    The fact is elway inherited a 4-12 team and within two years had a completely new team except for a couple wrs and a off lineman, less than five players that were on the team elway inherited from 2010 were on the 2013 SB team

    And turned around and did it again two years later

    In fact 37 of the 53 2015 SB roster were drafted or signed as CFA by elway, with at least five more plucked off other teams practice squad

    The Goal of Every Gm is to build a SB caliber team, get to the game and win it
    Elway has

    Telesco has failed to even get there to a afc title much less win it, he hasnít even won a west title... he hasnít done crap for all your bragging he canít even sweep the bronco team you state is so weak
    Rap what do you think is more impressive?
    Elway successfully recruiting Peyton Manning who could have gone anywhere.
    ....or
    Telesco inheriting Phillip Rivers

    Funny how Baphs thinks Elways trash and Telesco is amazing 😉

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    What’s retarded about your post and whole theory is how you ignore how bad the chargers would be without rivers...I can guarantee that had rivers hung it up a couple years ago your team would have struggled to win five games and you would be here making excuses for how hard it is to win after losing a pro bowl caliber qb !!

    You know it
    that's pure speculation at best. had rivers hug em up the chargers would have made replacing him a priority. what's hilarious is telesco brought in a QB to back up rivers who's performed better than any QB elway has brought in to be a starter since manning retired

    you simply cannot deny the quality of players telesco has brought in and they are not all high draft picks or big name A signings, either.

    telesco's biggest name FA signings have been okung and pouncey. he truly is a student of bill polian.

    The fact is elway inherited a 4-12 team and within two years had a completely new team except for a couple wrs and a off lineman, less than five players that were on the team elway inherited from 2010 were on the 2013 SB team

    And turned around and did it again two years later

    In fact 37 of the 53 2015 SB roster were drafted or signed as CFA by elway, with at least five more plucked off other teams practice squad

    The Goal of Every Gm is to build a SB caliber team, get to the game and win it
    Elway has

    Telesco has failed to even get there to a afc title much less win it, he hasn’t even won a west title... he hasn’t done crap for all your bragging he can’t even sweep the bronco team you state is so weak
    again, elway built his team primarily through FA signings (where almost all his best and key players came from) because the team he inherited had lots of cap space to allow him to do so. now elway can't sign another manning off FA, another talib, another ware. the broncos are losing the talent they had and replacing them with less quality players.

    also, i'm not bragging about telesco, but to deny the chargers are one of the more talented rosters in the league currently is not reality. he's done it primarily through the draft.. he's done his job, he's put his team in a good position to win but he doesn't coach or play in the games. the chargers problems with winning hasn't been a lack of talent for the most part and honestly, my only issue with the team right now is the OL.

    the broncos on he other hand went from the no fly zone to the no name zone, they still have a good pass rush thanks to von miller and possibly chubb going forward but other than that the defense is losing talent and the offense is young and led by one of the worst starting QB's in the league.

    it's clear the problem with the broncos has been personnel and coaching.........both the GM's fault. the chargers have no such issues and are one of the better teams in the AFC currently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    Rap what do you think is more impressive?
    Elway successfully recruiting Peyton Manning who could have gone anywhere.
    ....or
    Telesco inheriting Phillip Rivers

    Funny how Baphs thinks Elways trash and Telesco is amazing ��
    what's more impressive to you? signing big names through FA that are already established or actually being smart and a good talent evaluator, building your team through the draft like every other GM has to do?

    telesco inherited rivers......he also inherited an extremely old team at the time who was in cap hell with over 12 million in dead cap due to the mistakes of AJ smith. not the case with elway, he may have inherited a team lacking talent with no QB but he had lots of cap room to make the moves he needed right away, now he can't do that and it clearly shows.


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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    Rap what do you think is more impressive?
    Elway successfully recruiting Peyton Manning who could have gone anywhere.
    ....or
    Telesco inheriting Phillip Rivers

    Funny how Baphs thinks Elways trash and Telesco is amazing 😉
    Even more retarded to see him scoffing at FA signings
    When 10 of the 22 2018 starters on the chargers team were not drafted by the chargers and 19 of the 53 were not drafted or signed by chargers
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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    what's more impressive to you? signing big names through FA that are already established or actually being smart and a good talent evaluator, building your team through the draft like every other GM has to do?

    telesco inherited rivers......he also inherited an extremely old team at the time who was in cap hell with over 12 million in dead cap due to the mistakes of AJ smith. not the case with elway, he may have inherited a team lacking talent with no QB but he had lots of cap room to make the moves he needed right away, now he can't do that and it clearly shows.
    Whatís impressive is building a SB team

    Something telesco has no clue about

    Of the 2013 53 man roster only four were on the team prior to elway, 31 were drafted or signed as CFA, of the 53 man roster 35 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    Of the 2015 team 39 of the 53 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    So much for ď BUYING A TEAMĒ
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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    Whatís impressive is building a SB team

    Something telesco has no clue about

    Of the 2013 53 man roster only four were on the team prior to elway, 31 were drafted or signed as CFA, of the 53 man roster 35 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    Of the 2015 team 39 of the 53 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    So much for ď BUYING A TEAMĒ
    Elway didnít over pay any of the guys he brought in either all weíre signed at market value. Another inconvenient truth to baphs argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    Even more retarded to see him scoffing at FA signings
    When 10 of the 22 starters on the chargers team were not drafted by the chargers
    is that a fact?

    chargers starters going into this season:

    QB rivers (trade via draft and this doesn't really count for or against telesco)
    RB gordon (draft)
    WR1 allen (draft)
    WR2 williams (draft)
    WR3 benjamin (budget FA)
    LT okung (big moneyFA)
    LG feeney (draft)
    C pouncey (semi budget FA)
    RG Lamp/Schofield (lamp should be the starter but even if he isn't Schofield isn't a starting quality player and was very much a budget FA)
    RT Tevi (draft)
    TE henry (draft)


    DRE ingram (draft)
    DRT mebane (budget FA)
    DLT tillery (draft)
    DLE Bosa (draft)
    WILL Brown (draft)
    MIKE perryman (draft)
    SAM Davis (budget FA)
    CB hayward (budget FA)
    CB williams (UDFA)
    SS james (draft)
    FS adderley (draft)

    that is building a team through the draft, there is literally only one big money FA signing and the vast majority of key players were drafted by the chargers.

    lets look at Denver's 2015 SB winning roster to compare.

    QB manning (big money FA)
    RB anderson (UDFA)
    WR1 thomas (draft)
    WR2 sanders (semi budget FA)
    WR3 Norwood? ( UDFA and not sure who your third guy was, they all sucked after DT and sanders but he the third most receptions at the WR position)
    LTSambrailo (draft)
    LG Mathis (budget FA)
    C Paradis (draft)
    RG Vasquez (semi budget FA)
    RT harris (draft)
    TE Daniels (budget FA)


    RDE jackson (draft)
    NT Williams (draft)
    LDE Wolfe (draft)
    SSLB miller (draft)
    WSLB ware (big money FA)
    ILB Marshall (semi budget FA)
    ILB Trevathan (draft)
    CB talib (big money FA)
    CB harris (UDFA)
    SS Ward (budget FA? not sure about the money)
    FS Stewart (budget FA? again not sure on this one)


    that in fact, my donko counterparts, is building a team through FA, not the draft.


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