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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    What’s impressive is building a SB team

    Something telesco has no clue about

    Of the 2013 53 man roster only four were on the team prior to elway, 31 were drafted or signed as CFA, of the 53 man roster 35 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    Of the 2015 team 39 of the 53 were bronco draft picks or CFA signees

    So much for “ BUYING A TEAM”
    so how come elway's team sucks now and has been sub mediocre ever since the day manning walked off into the sunset? i mean, since elway knows how to build a SB winning team and all?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    Elway didn’t over pay any of the guys he brought in either all we’re signed at market value. Another inconvenient truth to baphs argument.
    i don't question that, which is why i constantly mention the wonderful situation elway found himself in when he took the job. most GM's definitely don't enjoy such freedom to spend right out of the gate after taking a job, like elway did.

    but yeah, they were all worth their contracts for the most part and they were all keys to winning that SB. now that elway can't simply write checks to bring in great players, he's forced to draft and develop them on his own and it's not working out well for him.

    again, not one probowler or elite player has been drafted by elway since von miller........that's such an amazing stat that you homers are just throwing under the rug. that's extremely bad and you know it. I hope elway is allowed to run your team into the ground for years to come, but i fear he will be replaced sooner rather than later and that makes me sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    i don't question that, which is why i constantly mention the wonderful situation elway found himself in when he took the job. most GM's definitely don't enjoy such freedom to spend right out of the gate after taking a job, like elway did.

    but yeah, they were all worth their contracts for the most part and they were all keys to winning that SB. now that elway can't simply write checks to bring in great players, he's forced to draft and develop them on his own and it's not working out well for him.

    again, not one probowler or elite player has been drafted by elway since von miller........that's such an amazing stat that you homers are just throwing under the rug. that's extremely bad and you know it. I hope elway is allowed to run your team into the ground for years to come, but i fear he will be replaced sooner rather than later and that makes me sad.
    What should make you sad is you think pointing out John Elway pro bowlers heís drafted as your main argument that heís trash.
    Whatís sad is Elway a former player has resurrected the broncos and won more SBís than all 39 Chargers seasons combined.

    Elway head to head vs all Charger QBs and GMís combined:
    Elway 2-0 as a player
    Elway 1-0 as GM

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    lol. Baph.

    NFL GM Power Rankings. Also known as, "Who has the best quarterback and isn't the Green Bay Packers". All I know is, Elway Super Bowl Rings as GM = 1, and Every Chargers GM in history = 0.

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    is that a fact?

    chargers starters going into this season:

    QB rivers (trade via draft and this doesn't really count for or against telesco)
    RB gordon (draft)
    WR1 allen (draft)
    WR2 williams (draft)
    WR3 benjamin (budget FA)
    LT okung (big moneyFA)
    LG feeney (draft)
    C pouncey (semi budget FA)
    RG Lamp/Schofield (lamp should be the starter but even if he isn't Schofield isn't a starting quality player and was very much a budget FA)
    RT Tevi (draft)
    TE henry (draft)


    DRE ingram (draft)
    DRT mebane (budget FA)
    DLT tillery (draft)
    DLE Bosa (draft)
    WILL Brown (draft)
    MIKE perryman (draft)
    SAM Davis (budget FA)
    CB hayward (budget FA)
    CB williams (UDFA)
    SS james (draft)
    FS adderley (draft)

    that is building a team through the draft, there is literally only one big money FA signing and the vast majority of key players were drafted by the chargers.

    lets look at Denver's 2015 SB winning roster to compare.
    Cute , it doesnít count lol

    Clearly you noticed where I said the 2018 starters or did you conveniently ignore that

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    Ohhh no elway hasnít drafted one pro bowler since Von disregarding Julius Thomas two pb

    What shall we do with the two AFC Titles and the Super bowl trophy ??
    Since they donít mean as much as if elway drafted as many pro bowlers as telesco

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    the 3 headed monster continues to troll away & you guys allow it to keep going & going & going

    keep on feeding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncosFanInPA View Post
    the 3 headed monster continues to troll away & you guys allow it to keep going & going & going

    keep on feeding...
    Itís called smack

    The safe zone is that way óó->

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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    what's more impressive to you? signing big names through FA that are already established or actually being smart and a good talent evaluator, building your team through the draft like every other GM has to do?

    telesco inherited rivers......he also inherited an extremely old team at the time who was in cap hell with over 12 million in dead cap due to the mistakes of AJ smith. not the case with elway, he may have inherited a team lacking talent with no QB but he had lots of cap room to make the moves he needed right away, now he can't do that and it clearly shows.
    I've said this several times before..... Why keep hanging on to this argument? What is the GM's job? Bring in the best players available and go after the SB, right?? HE DID HIS JOB!!!!! Now, without trying to sound too trollish, this really sounds like a jealousy argument. Hating his success is fun for challenging opponents I guess, but he has had success no matter how he's built his team.

    You go on and on with Telesco.... Lets break it down...

    John Elway: 8 seasons as the GM he has built a team that has had 6 out of 8 seasons with a winning record, 5 seasons in the Playoffs, 5 AFCW championships, 2 SB's, and 1 SB victory..... 60.94% winning record,

    Tom Telesco: 6 seasons as the GM he has built a team that has had 4 out of 6 seasons with a winning record, 2 seasons in the Playoffs and , 50.00% winning record. Nothing to show for it.......

    You can hate Elway all you want, and it's documented throughout these threads every year, (even the winning ones), but that doesn't change the fact that Elway has done more in Denver than the Chargers ever had. Yes, he has had some faults as do all GM's but hoping the last couple drafts show a sign of improvement in that area. Truth is, Denver has had losing records the last 2 years out of 8 total, but the Chargers under Telesco have 2 years out of 6 total, and those 2 losing seasons were in the middle of his time there so it wasn't and inherited team, he built them. Does he get the suckage moniker there because he was failing at rebuilding like Elway gets? We will see what the future holds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baphamet View Post
    so how come elway's team sucks now and has been sub mediocre ever since the day manning walked off into the sunset? i mean, since elway knows how to build a SB winning team and all?
    who said it sucks...you? for a suck team your team sure gets beat by them every year

    generally bap and this is something you as a charger fan know absolutely nothing about

    when you are a Super bowl winning team, and your HOF QB then retires, and the next year you lose your head coach, OC and DC

    on top of three starters on the oline from the superbowl, as well as your starting MLB trevathan, starting DT malik Jackson



    and when you compound the problem by hiring the wrong HC in VJ...and cannot find a qb that can play at a level expected

    you struggle to win games...
    the 1999 broncos dropped 8 wins from their SB winning 14-2 1998 season


    you wouldn't know this because well, as every team in the leagues goal is winning a SB, andusing that as a guide

    well your team has sucked

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    Baphs when would you have fired Elway and who would you have hired?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stackhouser View Post
    I've said this several times before..... Why keep hanging on to this argument? What is the GM's job? Bring in the best players available and go after the SB, right?? HE DID HIS JOB!!!!! Now, without trying to sound too trollish, this really sounds like a jealousy argument. Hating his success is fun for challenging opponents I guess, but he has had success no matter how he's built his team.

    You go on and on with Telesco.... Lets break it down...

    John Elway: 8 seasons as the GM he has built a team that has had 6 out of 8 seasons with a winning record, 5 seasons in the Playoffs, 5 AFCW championships, 2 SB's, and 1 SB victory..... 60.94% winning record,

    Tom Telesco: 6 seasons as the GM he has built a team that has had 4 out of 6 seasons with a winning record, 2 seasons in the Playoffs and , 50.00% winning record. Nothing to show for it.......

    You can hate Elway all you want, and it's documented throughout these threads every year, (even the winning ones), but that doesn't change the fact that Elway has done more in Denver than the Chargers ever had. Yes, he has had some faults as do all GM's but hoping the last couple drafts show a sign of improvement in that area. Truth is, Denver has had losing records the last 2 years out of 8 total, but the Chargers under Telesco have 2 years out of 6 total, and those 2 losing seasons were in the middle of his time there so it wasn't and inherited team, he built them. Does he get the suckage moniker there because he was failing at rebuilding like Elway gets? We will see what the future holds.
    it is a whiny trollish babyish and jealose argument considering the broncos SB 2015 team consisted of
    17 free agents, 24 broncos draftees and 16 CFA signees

    where as the 2018 bolts had 17 FA, 25 draftees

    he accuses Elway of not building his SB team thru the draft as is free agents or traded players lessons the value of the WIN...when his team last year had the exact same make up

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    Baphs when would you have fired Elway and who would you have hired?
    he would have fired him right after signing a washed up never win another superbowl never be a top qb again manning

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    Quote Originally Posted by arapaho View Post
    it is a whiny trollish babyish and jealose argument considering the broncos SB 2015 team consisted of
    17 free agents, 24 broncos draftees and 16 CFA signees

    where as the 2018 bolts had 17 FA, 25 draftees

    he accuses Elway of not building his SB team thru the draft as is free agents or traded players lessons the value of the WIN...when his team last year had the exact same make up
    Seeing over and over again that Elway signed Manning and that somehow was wrong or something gets old.. He has done his job by all means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stackhouser View Post
    Seeing over and over again that Elway signed Manning and that somehow was wrong or something gets old.. He has done his job by all means.
    I donít know how he can sit there and say it was wrong, Peyton Manning not only generated the greatest offensive stats all time But he won a Super Bowl in Denver.

    Ppl just like to hate on greatness but Perhaps if the LA chargers ever win a championship bephs hate wonít be so elevated.

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