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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncolee View Post
    You mean trade.

    There is nothing wrong with trading for Flacco, at least in principle.

    The issue is whether or not they evaluated him correctly.

    Well have to wait and see.
    I think Flacco was never intended to be more than a 2 year holdover at the position. Whether they drafted a guy they liked this year or next. The fact they dont want to redo a contract with him makes him the perfect path to a younger option.

    I loved the draft, I want to give an A+ but no draft is perfect so I'll just say B+. I was on the fence with the Fant pick because I would of rather had Bush but after we got Risner and Lock I loved the Fant pick. We have a great offensive core for a long time now!! Lock, Lindsay, Freeman, Fant, Sutton and Hamilton....sounds good to me!!


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    I give it a B. Fant is an obvious need, but I do worry that he'll only be a specialist. Still, a ridiculous physical talent. Risner may be our best pick. Versatile, nasty OL who is a good guy to boot. Lock was a sound pick. Elway got his guy without betting the farm. Jones should help our inside pass rush which has been lacking for a while. Hollins and Winfree are high upside, intriguing talents. Overall, I don't see any glaring reaches or very questionable picks.

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    This was a really good draft.

    Normally I'm overly critical but you need to give credit when credits due. John did his homework and yes, hopefully lock doesn't need to see the field for two years.

    B+

    (can't give them an A due to the fact that we should have received more from Pittsburgh)

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    Ryan Koenigsberg noted that over the last two years, 11 out 16 draft picks for the Broncos have been team captains (seven in 2018, four this year). The other five no doubt could have been.

    I think the approach to draft high character prospects will be rewarded by building a team with a strong foundation. We saw signs of success with the rookie class in 2018.

    Grades, relative to the round/pick:

    Noah Fant has the potential to be one of the best TEs in the league. B+

    Dalton Risner helps solidify the line and brings a sort of nastiness to the position. A

    Drew Lock is tough, talented, smart and a very hard worker. Hes also a leader and can command the huddle. He has skills to improve however I believe he has a high ceiling. A

    Dre'Mont Jones might lack physicality. I hope he does not end up like DeMarcus Walker. He really came on last season and hopefully the momentum continues. He has some quickness to beat lineman. C+

    Justin Hollins might be one of the sleepers of the draft. Jim Leavitt coached Hollins at Oregon. Leavitt also coached with Fangio during their time together with the 49ers. Fangio has the inside knowledge on what Hollins can do. A

    Juwaan Winfree - Ill have to learn more about him. I think its wishful thinking to believe hell have success like Phillip Lindsay. C

    Overall grade: A-

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    The Good
    Dalton Risner A
    Hopefully, this isn't an Elway whiff on an OL picked early.

    Dre'Mont Jones +A
    Not sure why F7 gave him a C. He played at a national powerhouse in high school and played basketball, then he was dominant in the B1G10 his Freshman and Junoir years. He's a beast, with all the tools for passing downs and chasing Pat Mahomes. His combine numbers were very close to Derek Wolfe's, but Wolfe is taller but has the same wingspan. He was picked to be a 2nd rounder by many.

    The MEH...
    Noah Fant B-
    Why they would pick the 2nd best TE in the 1st round of a draft that's lopsided with defensive talent is a head-scratcher. People will point to how they still got Lock, but they had to give up 3 picks to move up for him. I think they failed by passing on Haskins. Badly. Lock had accuracy issues. Which seems to be Elway's "Experts Blindspot" when evaluating QB talent.

    Lock C
    14TD/7INT (2018) That's not good. When he played good defenses he struggled. He can't move well and throws even worse on the run. He passed on the all-time BIG10 single season TD and passing yards record holder for this... MEH.

    Juwaan Winfree - ?

    The overall grade is an 86 or B for me

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    The only "Starter" in this Draft is Risner. If he doesn't start from Day 1, he is a failed Pick. Fant will NOT be the Starter, unless there are injuries, but I expect him to be a HUGE contributor. Jones will be situational, at best, and will likely be the FO's shot at replacing the failed pick spent on Demarcus Walker. I wouldn't be surprised to see the superior athlete, Hollins, work his way into the lineup as an ILB, replacing the less athletic and slow Josie Jewell. And the only way Lock sees the field is if Flacco, and possibly Rypien, get hurt. That's right, expect another QB controversy between Lock and Rypien, as Rypien outplays Lock in pre-season. If Lock comes in and plays well, it's a coup for John Elway.

    B- until we have an idea about Lock.

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    Really big fan of the Risner pick, will give the draft a B+ overall, potentially an A if Lock turns into the franchise QB we've coveted.
    Come On You Blues! GO BRONCOS!

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    The more I think about it the more I thought the draft was just okay.

    Noah: I have preached that you dont select TEs in the first round. I dont care that the league is moving towards having TE being bigger part of the offense. The best TEs in the league currently and past ( not names Tony g) were selected in rounds outside the first. The good though is he is great in the redzone. Something we have missed since JT. I am glad we traded back before selecting him. Makes it a little better. Id give it a B-


    Risner: He is going to be a stud. He will most likely be playing G but could basically play any position including C. I, like many, had him as a late first round talent. Thought we were going to have to trade back in the first to get him. Great value. Id give it an A

    Lock: I am not sold on Lock. I was okay were we selected him because of the value in where you selected him. A first round grade in the 2nd. Clearly will not be starting this year and maybe next year. I look at who was available still and I see players like Erik mccoy who would have started day one at a position we really needed for this year. Would have also built our Oline for years. Id give it a C-

    Tremont Jones: I know a lot of experts had him as 2nd round talents. Another pick that we got great value considered we got him in the third. Have him add some muscle/weight and I think he replaces Wolfe..... this year. Id get the pick B+

    Overall, Id give us a B as of right now.

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    Love this draft I give it a A-. We got amazing value with both Lock and Risner in the second round those were steals of the draft to me cornerstones of the future. I really like Noah pick his game reminds me a lot of Aaron Hernandez on the field trading back to 20 was a excellent move and picking up extra 3rd for next year was brilliant. All in all Elway and company have had great drafts back to back years compared to years prior to 2018 this is breath of fresh air looks like front office has finally figured it out when comes to the draft.

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    I will have my grade by week 2, If Fant gets the best of Roquan Smith then A, if he gets shut down...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Murph2432 View Post
    The more I think about it the more I thought the draft was just okay.

    Noah: I have preached that you dont select TEs in the first round. I dont care that the league is moving towards having TE being bigger part of the offense. The best TEs in the league currently and past ( not names Tony g) were selected in rounds outside the first. The good though is he is great in the redzone. Something we have missed since JT. I am glad we traded back before selecting him. Makes it a little better. Id give it a B-


    Risner: He is going to be a stud. He will most likely be playing G but could basically play any position including C. I, like many, had him as a late first round talent. Thought we were going to have to trade back in the first to get him. Great value. Id give it an A

    Lock: I am not sold on Lock. I was okay were we selected him because of the value in where you selected him. A first round grade in the 2nd. Clearly will not be starting this year and maybe next year. I look at who was available still and I see players like Erik mccoy who would have started day one at a position we really needed for this year. Would have also built our Oline for years. Id give it a C-

    Tremont Jones: I know a lot of experts had him as 2nd round talents. Another pick that we got great value considered we got him in the third. Have him add some muscle/weight and I think he replaces Wolfe..... this year. Id get the pick B+

    Overall, Id give us a B as of right now.
    Here's the deal with TE positional value, it's going up. It's a copy cat league, and now that the TE is becoming a bigger part, teams are going to take them earlier and earlier. In the top 10 in terms of receptions last year 9/11(Burton and Jordan Reed were tied), were taken in the 3rd or higher. Just Kittle and Burton were not in that group. There are also multiple 1st rounders. TE is becoming a premier position, and will need to be drafted as such. We added a much needed mismatch weapon, that can end up being a game breaker, and collected multiple extra picks in the process.

    As for Lock, I understand your hesitation. I didnt want to take a QB either, I think an day 1 starter could have been had. However, it's a QB league always will be. If you don't have your QB, it's incredibly hard to win the SB. Elway and Co got their top guy, in a position that gives him a chance to develop.

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    A- Picks were made at good value spots. I wasn't sure about Lock in the first but the trade down in round 1 was fantastic. Picking Lock in round 2 takes all of the pressure off. Fant is a future star, Risner should start for many years, and Lock has serious potential. I think Jones is under rated and should be a rotational player at least, but could develop into more. He has a very underrated first step.

    I would have liked us to do some different things in day 3 but that is just nit picking. Day 3 is generally for special teams guys anyway.

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    Draft as a whole A-. Only thing holding it back was we only made 6 selections. Adding an additional 3rd next year is very nice however.

    People not high on the Fant or Lock pick mystify me. Fant was such a utter huge position of need. Making defense actually have to cover a tight end will help out the entire offense.

    Lock whether you liked him or you didnt. Getting him in the 2nd is mind blowing. If he doesnt pan out then fine. We didnt burn a ton of draft capital trying for a franchise QB.

    I would understand the grip if we took him at #10. But not where we got him.

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    Hate the Lock pick due to Flacco?

    We can always release Flacco to save some cap and get more positional help elsewhere.
    Denver can roll with Lock and Rypien.
    It's now or never.

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    I give it a B. I like some of the players selected...but some issues were left unaddressed. Still need another RB to go along with Patrick Lindsay. Also needed a corner...even before Chris Harris demanded his money.

    Hopefully Drew Lock will turn out to be a good pick. It's about time we drafted a good QB.

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