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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    at his best he should be on a DOnald level. at around the level he has shown this year and the last few i would still have von rated higher. we can talk about this next season if he shows to form. and my tune may take. but right now the only pass rusher i'd take over miller is Donald. but that is my personal belief.

    either way i don't see Donald, Watt, Miller or Mack not being first ballot HOFers.
    It would depend on what scheme you are running. For example, Donald probably wouldn't have the same success in the Broncos scheme as he does with the Rams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    It would depend on what scheme you are running. For example, Donald probably wouldn't have the same success in the Broncos scheme as he does with the Rams.
    that i would have disagree with at least last season sense we where running a Defense based around PHillips Scheme. and having other Pass rushers would help him alot. he is still kinda a solo act in la.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    ...and Von Miller went up against Mike Remmers and Marcus Cannon, 2 of the worst OT in the league that year, when they won the SB and he got SB MVP. I don't see many people mentioning that when they talk about Von.
    Good on Von for capitalizing on those matchups and winning the SB MVP. Von could rack up sacks against guys like Chad Wheeler (3), Denzelle Goode (2), Corey Robinson (2), Jordan Mills, Elijah Wilkinson, and Jonnu Smith as well.

    Every great pass rusher is going to have chances to take advantage of bad olinemen at some point. Thatís just the nature of the game. I donít think you can definitively say that either player is better than the other based purely off their stats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Good on Von for capitalizing on those matchups and winning the SB MVP. Von could rack up sacks against guys like Chad Wheeler (3), Denzelle Goode (2), Corey Robinson (2), Jordan Mills, Elijah Wilkinson, and Jonnu Smith as well.

    Every great pass rusher is going to have chances to take advantage of bad olinemen at some point. Thatís just the nature of the game. I donít think you can definitively say that either player is better than the other based purely off their stats.
    I think that's what he is going at every one goes against bottom tier talent through the season

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    Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau 1981

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    Quote Originally Posted by BroncoBreeder View Post
    Joe Klecko and Mark Gastineau 1981
    The Sack Exchange was awesome! They are part of the reason the NFL started having sacks as a measured stat.
    Last edited by broncos SB2010; 05-17-2019 at 05:16 PM.

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    Taking the Orange glasses off, Von and Chubb have a lot to prove to be in this conversation. However that doesnít mean Iím not stoked that they are on our team today, and may prove to be the best in the league over the next few years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyousukeneko View Post
    I think that's what he is going at every one goes against bottom tier talent through the season
    Like when Mack in his second year sacked Osweiler five times due to Schofield's turnstile-play in one half.
    (I am surprised the Raiders still traded Mack after his performance that day.)

    Or the Patriots continual AFC East dominance.

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    We really going to ignore the 85 bears, dent & Willson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rst08tierney View Post
    We really going to ignore the 85 bears, dent & Willson?
    and Steve McMichael. That guy was down right scary.

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    I'm going with Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith with the Chiefs in the early 90s. That might get me pelted on these boards, but man, that D had some teeth.

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    Sacks weren't recorded as an official stat until 1982. Before that time, Deacon Jones and Merlin Olsen would be in the conversation for greatest sack duo. There was a twenty year period during which the Rams had one of the best D-Lines in pro football every year. Denver had a very good D-Line during the same time period.
    "Stultum est timere quod vitare non potes." ~ Publilius Syrus

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    Quote Originally Posted by DwhitetheGamer View Post
    I dunno where this belongs to so the safe bet will be here, but this is one of the boldest predictions I've ever seen. Can the seemingly impossible be possible in this new age of Football?

    Interesting that 4 of the 5 duos are from 86 to 92. Some where in that time frame the rules were changed so that OTs could line up off the LOS.

    When doing research on double/triple teams last year for some games I noticed the last few games of the year teams were putting more players against Chubb than Von. I am pretty sure Fangio will know how to exploit this. There is room for these two hitting this goal but the rules/enforcement of the times are against them. In addition the team really needs some inside pressure for this to happen.
    Vic Fangio "Von Miller can play better than he has ever played in his career"
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    The Saints had a real dominant LB group of Rickey Jackson, Vaughan Johnson, Sam Mills, and Pat Swilling.

    Swilling and Jackson had between them 12 double digit sack years; 6 years each. Jackson had 3 more years with 9+ sacks.

    That team does not get much love because it was 80s-early 90s Saints that did not do much but those LBs were BEASTLY. Jackson and Swilling constantly terrorized Qbs
    Vic Fangio "Von Miller can play better than he has ever played in his career"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hadez View Post
    Interesting that 4 of the 5 duos are from 86 to 92. Some where in that time frame the rules were changed so that OTs could line up off the LOS.

    When doing research on double/triple teams last year for some games I noticed the last few games of the year teams were putting more players against Chubb than Von. I am pretty sure Fangio will know how to exploit this. There is room for these two hitting this goal but the rules/enforcement of the times are against them. In addition the team really needs some inside pressure for this to happen.
    Your last point is the key one. Inside pressure is needed for Von and Chubb to excel. Itís been missing, so teams can move more people to the edge or scheme to allow the edge rush upfield while sliding the pocket forward. Thatís generally true for this thread. Great pash rushes come from more than 2 players.

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