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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    I wasn't talking about Trey Marshall as #5 safety...I'm talking him as #4 safety.
    You think him over Cravens or him over Parks? I'll have to watch him closer on Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    You think him over Cravens or him over Parks? I'll have to watch him closer on Monday.
    Good question but is Jackson listed as a safety or a CB on the roster?

    If he’s listed as a CB then I could see where we’d keep all 3, Parks, Cravens, and Marshall. If not then I think marshal is the odd man out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    Good question but is Jackson listed as a safety or a CB on the roster?

    If he’s listed as a CB then I could see where we’d keep all 3, Parks, Cravens, and Marshall. If not then I think marshal is the odd man out.
    That's a good question, but I don't think he's taken many, or really any, reps at corner during camp. It seems like he's the starting Strong Safety and Simmons is the starting Free Safety.

    But this got me curious, so lets do the math, my guess is they'll keep 9-10 defensive backs.

    Corners: 1. Harris, 2. Callahan, 3. Yiadom, 4. Bausby. They all seem to be locks, and I would put Horace Richardson as 5th on the bubble

    Safeties: 1. Jackson, 2. Simmons, 3. Parks, 4. Cravens (he seems to be playing decent, and has been in with the 2's in both games) Bubble guys at this point: Marshall, Carter and really both Thomas' depending on special teams.

    With the flexibility of Jackson and Simmons you can probably get away with 4 corners, but I could see 5. With Safeties 3-4/5 probably comes down to Special Teams and who can do it best. I haven't noticed Cravens playing on any teams yet, that could be his downfall.

    This is definitely an area I'll be paying more attention to on Monday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    You think him over Cravens or him over Parks? I'll have to watch him closer on Monday.
    I was thinking Marshall over Cravens. Just as a possibility, Cravens is still young and has tons of potential. I would like for them to keep both if they could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Butler By'Note View Post
    That's a good question, but I don't think he's taken many, or really any, reps at corner during camp. It seems like he's the starting Strong Safety and Simmons is the starting Free Safety.

    But this got me curious, so lets do the math, my guess is they'll keep 9-10 defensive backs.

    Corners: 1. Harris, 2. Callahan, 3. Yiadom, 4. Bausby. They all seem to be locks, and I would put Horace Richardson as 5th on the bubble

    Safeties: 1. Jackson, 2. Simmons, 3. Parks, 4. Cravens (he seems to be playing decent, and has been in with the 2's in both games) Bubble guys at this point: Marshall, Carter and really both Thomas' depending on special teams.

    With the flexibility of Jackson and Simmons you can probably get away with 4 corners, but I could see 5. With Safeties 3-4/5 probably comes down to Special Teams and who can do it best. I haven't noticed Cravens playing on any teams yet, that could be his downfall.

    This is definitely an area I'll be paying more attention to on Monday.
    That's part of why I think Marshall might make it over Cravens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    I was thinking Marshall over Cravens. Just as a possibility, Cravens is still young and has tons of potential. I would like for them to keep both if they could.
    I could see that. From the short amount he's played in both preseason games, I think Cravens looks way better than he looked at any point last year. But I'm not sure that'll be enough for him to earn a spot, especially with little cap issues if they release him.

    I'll be interested to watch them both and try to see where, or if, either are playing Special Teams and how they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    That's part of why I think Marshall might make it over Cravens.

    I was doing roster math in my head this morning, and we'll probably see 25 players on both O and D with 3 specialists. You have to figure that it'll be 6 defensive linemen, 8 linebackers which then leaves 11 spots. Take away a minimum of 8 spots for DBs and now we're left with the 3 openings that could come from anywhere, but will probably end up being Special Teams players first and foremost. Because of that, it's probably just not a battle between safeties, but those players competing against corners, and LBs as well to earn those final spots. If there are bubble guys in those groups not currently on Teams, they should be begging Tom McMahon for a chance to play any and all.

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    Cravens not playing special teams is why I think he’s a lock. If he was a question mark I think they’d have him out there already or at least very soon. Plus all of our safeties contributed on special teams last season aside from Stewart with Dymonte Thomas and Parks leading the way and Shamarko behind them. Simmons had 91 snaps and Cravens had 41 snaps. Cravens also played 120 snaps his rookie year.

    I imagine the core special teams group will be Joe Jones, Yiadom, Bausby, Parks and either D. Thomas or Trey Marshall and whoever emerges as the 5th CB and probably Malik Reed as well. Last year there were 8 players over 70 snaps aside from LS, P, and K. That list is 7, 8 if we keep Thomas and Marshall. Booker, Patrick, and Janovich were the heavy contributors on offense. Booker and Patrick likely stay, maybe Aston replaces Jano or maybe a LB like Johnson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    Cravens not playing special teams is why I think he’s a lock. If he was a question mark I think they’d have him out there already or at least very soon. Plus all of our safeties contributed on special teams last season aside from Stewart with Dymonte Thomas and Parks leading the way and Shamarko behind them. Simmons had 91 snaps and Cravens had 41 snaps. Cravens also played 120 snaps his rookie year.

    I imagine the core special teams group will be Joe Jones, Yiadom, Bausby, Parks and either D. Thomas or Trey Marshall and whoever emerges as the 5th CB and probably Malik Reed as well. Last year there were 8 players over 70 snaps aside from LS, P, and K. That list is 7, 8 if we keep Thomas and Marshall. Booker, Patrick, and Janovich were the heavy contributors on offense. Booker and Patrick likely stay, maybe Aston replaces Jano or maybe a LB like Johnson.
    Great point on Cravens. I was thinking of it from the other direction, but yeah if he's a lock, or close to it then that would explain him not being on specials so far.

    To your group of core ST players I'll add a few names: Fumagalli, AJ Johnson (I see you listed him), Dekoda Watson, Justin Hollins and possibly Josey Jewell. Backup TEs and LBs have to play specials (thinking punt protection in particular) so I think we'll see all of them involved. I threw in Jewell because they might have a few starters on Specials, and i think him and Justin Simmons are the two names that stand out most from that group of possibilities.

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    From PFF:

    Dre’Mont Jones has had a stellar start to his NFL career. The former Ohio State defensive interior has earned an 84.5 pass-rush grade across 38 pass-rush snaps through two preseason games, picking up five total pressures along the way. And DeMarcus Walker, a 2017 second-rounder out of Florida State, has had a similar start. Walker has earned an 83.8 overall grade and an 81.7 pass-rush grade across 61 defensive snaps through two preseason games.
    Awesome news on Dremont. Really liked that pick.

    And I had a strong feeling that Walker would thrive under Fangio and Donatell. Super excited because it seemed like a good pick at the time. Would really like Walker to pan out.

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    No good place to put this and it didn't deserve its own thread, so...


    Joint result: 49ers defense won the day but Broncos may be better for it
    Author: Mike Klis
    Published: 2:21 PM MDT August 16, 2019
    Updated: 2:21 PM MDT August 16, 2019

    ENGLEWOOD, Colo. — Let’s get to the point. I thought the 49ers got the better of the Broncos in the teams’ joint practice today. Start with quarterback Joe Flacco and the Broncos’ offense. I’m not sure who was supposed to block 49ers defensive tackle DeForest Buckner. But they might want to start before the weekend is through. "I thought we were very choppy and I thought it felt like they got after us upfront a little bit," said Broncos offensive coordinator Rich Scangarello. One period in particular the 6-foot-7, 295-pound Buckner completely dominated with a sack and tackle for loss. "He’s probably one of the three or four best interior players in this league, so yeah he’s always going to be tough to block," Scangarello said. "And if you’re not planning around him he’s going to cause problems."

    As for the Denver defense, it had a tough time stopping 49ers quarterback Jimmy Garoppolo for the first hour of practice. Then the Denver D rallied and definitely won the final period. Two former Bronco icons -- Peyton Manning and Mike Shanahan -- spent much of practice watching this field. "I thought it was pretty equal," said Broncos’ head coach and de facto defensive coordinator Vic Fangio. The good news is during last year’s joint practice with the Chicago Bears, the consensus was the Broncos dominated the first day. And look how the two teams wound up. The Bears won the NFL North with a 12-4 record and were one of the most surprising teams in the NFL. The Broncos suffered their second consecutive losing season.

    So be careful passing judgment on a joint practice. Understand, too, that practice by definition means it’s OK to struggle and still come away feeling like practice made you better. "It’s a good day because I think we have a young team and it's good to come out against a new team," Flacco said. "I think (the 49ers) brought a lot of energy. So, I think it was good for our team to kind of go up against that. I think we can definitely do a better job than we did today." Still, the Broncos offense has a ways to go. "I think we let them set the tone and we weren’t able to kind of get it back," Flacco said. Let’s see how the Broncos’ respond in joint practice No. 2 Saturday and in the teams preseason game Monday night at Broncos Stadium at Mile High.

    https://www.9news.com/article/sports...c-fbe34e46f90e

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    Wow

    Hearing the reports of today's practice with the Niners is kind of eye opening........ or maybe I hope it will be for the Broncos


    I can't help but wonder if the HC set the tone himself for this kind of showing today. The other day when Fangio emphasized NO FIGHTS ....... I figured - that seems to make sense. And it was not long after his soft stance on "Hazing" ......... maybe he is right and it's wrong, I dunno - it never seemed that bad to me. I'm kind of neutral on that anyway but....... just after seeing the way the team showed today - and timing it with coach's recent semi-controversial rules -- maybe it set the tone for playing SOFT

    Maybe- ..... but maybe not. Let's see what happens tomorrow

    One more thing though. I don't like this C-QB exchange problems. Things seemed to have gotten tough for the offense and the McGovern put the ball on the ground again. This can't happen
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    Quote Originally Posted by dizzolve View Post
    Wow

    Hearing the reports of today's practice with the Niners is kind of eye opening........ or maybe I hope it will be for the Broncos


    I can't help but wonder if the HC set the tone himself for this kind of showing today. The other day when Fangio emphasized NO FIGHTS ....... I figured - that seems to make sense. And it was not long after his soft stance on "Hazing" ......... maybe he is right and it's wrong, I dunno - it never seemed that bad to me. I'm kind of neutral on that anyway but....... just after seeing the way the team showed today - and timing it with coach's recent semi-controversial rules -- maybe it set the tone for playing SOFT

    Maybe- ..... but maybe not. Let's see what happens tomorrow

    One more thing though. I don't like this C-QB exchange problems. Things seemed to have gotten tough for the offense and the McGovern put the ball on the ground again. This can't happen
    The issue with snaps have been there since the start of TC. It remains to be seen whether or not McGovern can improve to be proficient consistently.

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    I think a key thing to remember for these joint practices is that this 49ers defense has been practicing against this offense for a few seasons now. It makes sense that they would give our offense a stiff test seeing that many players are still learning the system

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    Quote Originally Posted by beastlyskronk View Post
    I think a key thing to remember for these joint practices is that this 49ers defense has been practicing against this offense for a few seasons now. It makes sense that they would give our offense a stiff test seeing that many players are still learning the system
    I understand that aspect. The lack of intensity is the concern. Mistakes with execution happen with a new offense, but there’s no excuse for what happened today. Dropped balls and issues with snaps persist. Fangio talks a big game with “Death by inches” and a lot of catchy one liners. Let’s see if he gets the offense to respond with better effort. At least for now death by inches is setting in, at least on offense.

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