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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostThat's a scalding hot take. But I have to disagree with most of it. I would also questions who cares about the players abilities deep on the depth chart? Players 54-90 will be cut on Aug 31st. Whether they can do your basics or not they will be unemployed. And the good news is that players 54-90 on every roster will be cut, so if you feel like some other team's 56th player does something better than your 52nd player, you can release them and sign the other player.
Depth is the most overblown thing in the preseason. People get all upset because the third string is getting hammered by someone else's third string. But most of those players will be out of the league, and you're never going to have mass substitutions like that. The depth that matters is whether your 5th corner can come in and play well with 3-4 starting DBs when called upon? Can your 6th o-lineman step in without a noticeable drop-off if one of your starters is injured? That's depth, not how an entire unit of guys who will be unemployed in 11 days perform together.
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Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View PostSounds like you might not understand his background.
I don’t care about his background
I want the kid to be out Qb for the next 10 to 15 years not another guy ran out to save the franchise. He needs to sit and learn. We have a starting QB in Flacco, no need to rush the kid.sigpic
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Originally posted by 58Miller View Posti coddled my kids til they were old enough to do stuff on their own - eat, walk, talk, lose the diapers etc.
I don’t care about his background
I want the kid to be out Qb for the next 10 to 15 years not another guy ran out to save the franchise. He needs to sit and learn. We have a starting QB in Flacco, no need to rush the kid.
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Originally posted by 58Miller View Posti coddled my kids til they were old enough to do stuff on their own - eat, walk, talk, lose the diapers etc.
I don’t care about his background
I want the kid to be out Qb for the next 10 to 15 years not another guy ran out to save the franchise. He needs to sit and learn. We have a starting QB in Flacco, no need to rush the kid.
Mahomes, the only early-round QB in the last 10 years to not bust after playing in less than 4 games as a rookie even said he learned more in his 1 game starting as a rookie than the rest of the year behind Alex Smith.
If you want a guy to he your face of the franchise guy, your decade long starter, you have to get him playing time asap. If he isnt mentally fit to handle the inconsistent highs and lows of being a young player, then he wasn't worth his salt anyway. The ones who are, will respond; they will adapt, learn, and grow as a QB through each mistake on the field. That is not learned in 7 on 7s in shells.
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Originally posted by Papa-pwn View PostYet the QBs who bust most often are the QBs who start less than 4 games their rookie years. I dont know where this narrative that playing early is bad for QBs, if anything it is the most significant catalyst for growth and development.
Mahomes, the only early-round QB in the last 10 years to not bust after playing in less than 4 games as a rookie even said he learned more in his 1 game starting as a rookie than the rest of the year behind Alex Smith.
If you want a guy to he your face of the franchise guy, your decade long starter, you have to get him playing time asap. If he isnt mentally fit to handle the inconsistent highs and lows of being a young player, then he wasn't worth his salt anyway. The ones who are, will respond; they will adapt, learn, and grow as a QB through each mistake on the field. That is not learned in 7 on 7s in shells.
These guys have turned out ok.
Aaron Rodgers
Tom Brady
Pat Mahomes
Drew Brees
Phillip RiversLast edited by 58Miller; 08-20-2019, 05:19 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View PostSince you don’t care about his background, you don’t have enough knowledge to know what he needs.Last edited by 58Miller; 08-20-2019, 05:20 PM.sigpic
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Originally posted by 58Miller View PostI’m definitely notqualified, but seems like the Broncos want to allow the kid to grow and aren’t ready to throw him to the wolves just yet.Last edited by Fantaztic7; 08-20-2019, 05:44 PM.
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Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View PostYou said he needed to be coddled, not the Broncos.
I guess I just view developing a young talent, who could and would be thrown into the fire immediately as being coddled, and I don’t view it as a bad thing.
Coddled - meaning to treat in an overprotective way.
What I think the time sitting will help:
- Lock can truly understand our offense
- he can watch Flacco and the rest of the starters learn what works and doesn’t and he won’t pay the price
- the coaches will be able to see what plays best fit Locks abilities
- he can build chemistry and gain the teams respect over a season
This is a new offense for everyone on this team why throw a young QB in there and make him learn with everyone else. Stoked we have Flacco.
Depending on how Flacco plays and Lock picks up everything we have a 1to 3 year window before we have to put Lock out there.sigpic
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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostThat's a scalding hot take. But I have to disagree with most of it. I would also questions who cares about the players abilities deep on the depth chart? Players 54-90 will be cut on Aug 31st. Whether they can do your basics or not they will be unemployed. And the good news is that players 54-90 on every roster will be cut, so if you feel like some other team's 56th player does something better than your 52nd player, you can release them and sign the other player.
Depth is the most overblown thing in the preseason. People get all upset because the third string is getting hammered by someone else's third string. But most of those players will be out of the league, and you're never going to have mass substitutions like that. The depth that matters is whether your 5th corner can come in and play well with 3-4 starting DBs when called upon? Can your 6th o-lineman step in without a noticeable drop-off if one of your starters is injured? That's depth, not how an entire unit of guys who will be unemployed in 11 days perform together.My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter
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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostGood to see the Bill Vinovich curse continuing. Denver doesn't win when he refs their games.
I used this link https://www.pro-football-reference.c...s/VinoBi0r.htm
TEAM WIN LOSSES TIES
49ers 5 6
bears 3 8
bengals 6 10
bills 2 8
broncos 3 8
browns 2 11
buccaneers 8 5
cardinals 4 7
chargers 11 6
chiefs 11 5
colts 7 7
cowboys 10 7
dolphins 3 8
eagles 8 8
falcons 12 6
giants 7 3
jaguars 2 8
jets 4 7
lions 7 4
packers 8 7 1
panthers 7 7
patriots 9 4
raiders 11 4
rams 5 12
ravens 3 6
redskins 5 10
saints 10 7
seahawks 11 6
steelers 11 3
texans 9 10
titans 7 5
vikings 5 5 1
This doesn't take in to account Home/Away or how bad a team is *past Browns teams* and his first three years were as a side-judge before he was a refereeSept. 10, 2006, Den@StL 10-18, Sept. 28, 2008, [email protected]. 19-33, Nov. 16, 2014, Den@Stl 7-22 <--Broncos games I've attended
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Originally posted by 58Miller View PostYour totally right.
I guess I just view developing a young talent, who could and would be thrown into the fire immediately as being coddled, and I don’t view it as a bad thing.
Coddled - meaning to treat in an overprotective way.
What I think the time sitting will help:
- Lock can truly understand our offense
- he can watch Flacco and the rest of the starters learn what works and doesn’t and he won’t pay the price
- the coaches will be able to see what plays best fit Locks abilities
- he can build chemistry and gain the teams respect over a season
This is a new offense for everyone on this team why throw a young QB in there and make him learn with everyone else. Stoked we have Flacco.
Depending on how Flacco plays and Lock picks up everything we have a 1to 3 year window before we have to put Lock out there.
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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostThat's a scalding hot take. But I have to disagree with most of it. I would also questions who cares about the players abilities deep on the depth chart? Players 54-90 will be cut on Aug 31st. Whether they can do your basics or not they will be unemployed. And the good news is that players 54-90 on every roster will be cut, so if you feel like some other team's 56th player does something better than your 52nd player, you can release them and sign the other player.
Depth is the most overblown thing in the preseason. People get all upset because the third string is getting hammered by someone else's third string. But most of those players will be out of the league, and you're never going to have mass substitutions like that. The depth that matters is whether your 5th corner can come in and play well with 3-4 starting DBs when called upon? Can your 6th o-lineman step in without a noticeable drop-off if one of your starters is injured? That's depth, not how an entire unit of guys who will be unemployed in 11 days perform together.
Now, go get on a plane to Denver to coach Special Teams. Need a bit of help there!
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Originally posted by Fantaztic7 View PostWe’ve observed how quickly Lock is learning the offense by improving every week since the Hall of Fame game. Imagine not applying what he learned in live game action - that’s where you apply the learning. Now think about where he would be with playing every snap. Flacco will be the starter but we know it only takes one play to end his season. Lock doesn’t need to be coddled due to the adversity he’s faced. In fact, the throw he made after the injury said a lot about his leadership.sigpic
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Originally posted by Papa-pwn View PostYet the QBs who bust most often are the QBs who start less than 4 games their rookie years. I dont know where this narrative that playing early is bad for QBs, if anything it is the most significant catalyst for growth and development.
Mahomes, the only early-round QB in the last 10 years to not bust after playing in less than 4 games as a rookie even said he learned more in his 1 game starting as a rookie than the rest of the year behind Alex Smith.
If you want a guy to he your face of the franchise guy, your decade long starter, you have to get him playing time asap. If he isnt mentally fit to handle the inconsistent highs and lows of being a young player, then he wasn't worth his salt anyway. The ones who are, will respond; they will adapt, learn, and grow as a QB through each mistake on the field. That is not learned in 7 on 7s in shells.
Palmer won Heisman and should’ve started... but we are talking about the Bengals. Stouffer refused to sign with St Louis.
The myth of the red shirt year not applicable to lottery QBs.
So, like Rodgers, Brees and Russell.... better to be drafted outside lottery, with lower expectations?
If Drew Lock is selected with the 10th pick (instead of top of second round).... does this stunt his development?
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