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It really is time to move on.
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I’m just baffled as to why we won’t go to a press coverage scheme whether an aggressive Cover 1, Cover 3, or even Tampa 2. Our pass rushers get negated when CBs line up way off the LoS and just allow short quick passes all game. Disrupt the timing between the QB and WR for even half a second and the pass rush can get there and get a sack or force a turnover. That’s the difference in the game right there.
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I hate to lose to the raiders like the rest of you. But, 1 game just doesn't mean much to me. The Broncos got off to a slow start but looked better after the half. If Hamilton catches the td pass, we could have won this game. Raiders came out pumped and the fans were jacked. It's the first game with new QB, new coaches, new scheme off. and def. and the black hole. The raiders are improved this year. As for JE, it's just rad to blame him. I just don't see anyone else who could be a better GM for the Broncos. It's easy to arm chair GM positions and use hindsight. If you think it's easy to become perennial winners, go apply for the GM job.
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Originally posted by beastlyskronk View PostI’m just baffled as to why we won’t go to a press coverage scheme whether an aggressive Cover 1, Cover 3, or even Tampa 2. Our pass rushers get negated when CBs line up way off the LoS and just allow short quick passes all game. Disrupt the timing between the QB and WR for even half a second and the pass rush can get there and get a sack or force a turnover. That’s the difference in the game right there.sigpic
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After every loss -even during winning seasons- this board has a meltdown and the torches and pitchforks come out with a lot of irrational blaming and unrealistic expectations. One member said we need to "beg VJ for forgiveness" and another claimed that Flacco made the team "tank" around him, and, after just ONE loss, the Fire Elway Lynch Mob has already emerged from the shadows -they were just waiting for this!
With all the changes, I only expected moderate improvement, an 8-8 season seems realistic, and we are a still a LONG way from that final verdict. That means 8 losses, and last night was one. I know many others predicted same or close --7-9/9-7. Even for the folks who expected a better record than that, this is still only one loss.
I really think we need to be a little more patient and allow the growth process some time.
So no, "it really isn't time to move on" at Week 1.Last edited by L.M.; 09-10-2019, 10:12 AM.
Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016
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Originally posted by L.M. View PostAfter every loss -even during winning seasons- this board has a meltdown and the torches and pitchforks come out with a lot of irrational blaming and unrealistic expectations. One member said we need to "beg VJ for forgiveness" and another claimed that Flacco made the team "tank" around him, and, after just ONE loss, the Fire Elway Lynch Mob has already emerged from the shadows -they were just waiting for this!
With all the changes, I only expected moderate improvement, an 8-8 season seems realistic, and we are a still a LONG way from that final verdict. That means 8 losses, and last night was one. I know many others predicted same or close --7-9/9-7. Even for the folks who expected a better record than that, this is still only one loss.
I really think we need to be a little more patient and allow the growth process some time.
On measuring Elway it is not over reaction to one game. It’s assessment 4 years in the making. I’m not on the daily fire Elway train. But I don’t think those who were are over reacting to one game. They are reacting to that one game visually looking largely the same as the past 32 under VJ.sigpic
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Originally posted by DenverBlood View PostOn measuring how the season will go you are correct.
On measuring Elway it is not over reaction to one game. It’s assessment 4 years in the making. I’m not on the daily fire Elway train. But I don’t think those who were are over reacting to one game. They are reacting to that one game visually looking largely the same as the past 32 under VJ.
If we're not in the playoffs at the end of the 2020 season, then I will agree that "it's time to move on" from John Elway.
Superbowl 50 MVP Von Miller on February 7th, 2016
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Originally posted by L.M. View PostI do not agree with this. You cannot assess this game as part of the last few years because Elway has hit the reset button again with new coaches. VJ is gone, this is VF's show now, Flacco and Lock are the new present and future at QB, and we need to wait and see how all of that shakes out. And it may take more than one season with these rookie coaches.
If we're not in the playoffs at the end of the 2020 season, then I will agree that "it's time to move on" from John Elway.
We already watched the Kubiak failed season post Manning (albeit a winning season) followed by two failed seasons post VJ.
I personally no longer have the patience to wait beyond this season hoping to bear the fruits of the current labor. It’s good that you want to give it multiple seasons to see how the new staff shakes out. It’s fair to say I should have the patience for VF. And i do as far as he is concerned.
It may contradict a little but i just don’t have the patience to allow Elway to bear it out if we don’t start seeing some progress this year.sigpic
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Originally posted by Capt. Jack View PostEven with playing bad we were a couple of big plays away from winning the game last night
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I expect Fangio gets 3 years ....... if things don't show improvement by the third year maybe he doesn't get that entire season but -- the last thing the Broncos need right now are more turnover upstairs. If he does well, then 3+
I think Elway got a good coach although I like to see a bit more fire out of a coach. But personalities aren't what makes or breaks coaches. They come in all sizes.
Since Vic is John's baby, Elway has at least 3 more years.
I can't even imagine how hard it would be for Ellis to approach John and say it's time to move on. Would it solely be Ellis' decision? Seems so. Unless ownership limbo finds a resolution. Maybe it's this ownership resolution that brings about the change OP proposes. Then again - if we're seeing a team contending by then, it could be the wrong move to change at that time.
Sucks for fans of a team to admit but .......don't get your expectations too high this year. It is year 1 for new HC, OC, DC, QB and more. Vic might need some time to get the talent he needs to run the schemes he runs. Not to mention figure out how to be a HC. VJ was obviously a bad choice and understand firing after 1-2 seasons. But if you bring a guy like Vic Fangio, you're invested. Give him the time to do what he does.
I think Elway has at least 5 more seasons ..........or at minimum 3 more
edit: welcome to Broncos Country OPLast edited by dizzolve; 09-10-2019, 10:59 AM.The beatings will continue until morale improves....
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