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    I think his future lies in vegas-- He should do very well at Holdem tournaments
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    I'm glad John sort of called Bolles out - especially about the rules and technique of what is considered holding VS not holding.

    I hope he's finally realizing that drafting a player based off of the athletic ability VS smarts/IQ/technique is overrated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless View Post
    I'm glad John sort of called Bolles out - especially about the rules and technique of what is considered holding VS not holding.

    I hope he's finally realizing that drafting a player based off of the athletic ability VS smarts/IQ/technique is overrated.
    Many of the Bolles holds are just so unnecessary he isn't getting beat and in some cases they are even after play. I haven't seen anything like it.

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    https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/...ding-penalties

    Elway calls out Broncos' Bolles for holding flags

    ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- The Denver Broncos have tried patience, constructive criticism and a sliver of tough love for penalty-prone left tackle Garett Bolles. And now, after another rash of yellow flags in the Broncos' first two games, the clock is ticking on the former first-round pick's place in the lineup.

    Teammates have tried to help Bolles, and Denver hired one of the best offensive line coaches in football in Mike Munchak to, among everything else on his to-do list, to help out the former first-round selection.

    Bolles, who was the 20th pick of the 2017 draft, is really the only one who can fix it.

    "Obviously it hurts us (Sunday) at different points in the game ... you know a lot of times, even though we overcame a couple of them, they're a drive-stopper,'' said Broncos coach Vic Fangio. "We've got to be able to block our guy without holding.''

    Even the guy who picked him in the 2017 draft, who has been one of Bolles' biggest supporters -- Broncos president of football operations/general manager John Elway -- has had enough.

    "Well, it's got to stop. Period,'' Elway said on his weekly appearance on KOA NewsRadio. "There are no more excuses for it. He's had 26 holding penalties in the last two years and two games, so it's got to stop. The bottom line is if he thinks he's getting singled out, he is. He's got to understand that. He's got to understand what he's doing. And that was my question (Sunday), 'Does he know what holding is?' Does he know what he can and can't do? If he thinks he's getting targeted, he's got to realize he isn't. We'll keep working for it and he's still a talented guy. He cannot do that because it's beating us.''

    Bolles has indeed been flagged for 26 holding penalties in 34 career games, including four times in the Broncos' 16-14 loss to the Chicago Bears last Sunday. And this is certainly not a new issue with Bolles, who was highly penalized player in his one year at Utah.

    He was flagged 15 times overall (three were declined) as a rookie in 2011, 14 times overall in 2018 (four were declined) and five times already this season (three have been declined). That's 34 penalties and almost 450 yards walked off against the Broncos' offense.

    There is some feeling in the Broncos' complex that if Elijah Wilkinson, who is Bolles' backup and who worked with the starting offense plenty in training camp, was not already filling in for the injured Ja'Wuan James at right tackle, a move would have already been made in the Broncos' lineup.

    When asked Monday if Bolles could be taken out for a series or two in games at times when he was clearly struggling, Fangio said: "With our depth the way it is at this point, that's probably not an option.''

    James has missed the Broncos' first two games with a knee injury and has not yet returned to practice. The Broncos initially expected his return to take four to six weeks, so that may now be the time frame Bolles has to figure out a solution before Wilkinson moves to left tackle.

    Some also took notice Bolles seemed to point the finger at the officials after Sunday's game instead of at his own play.

    "It was frustrating,'' Bolles said. "I've built a reputation for myself in this league of holding. I disagree with it, to be honest. There are some calls I disagree with, and there are some things that I understand ... But I have the best O-line coach in the National Football League with Coach Munchak ... I'm going to turn this around. I promise you all that. I promise Broncos Country that. I promise my teammates that. That was just unfortunate that they keep coming after me, but it is what it is.''

    Bolles added he thought he had done a "phenomenal job'' improving from last season and that while he could improve his technique with his hands and footwork, added that "I'm not going to change my physicality, I'm not going to change my mindset.''

    Former Broncos guard Mark Schlereth, who is a co-host on a morning radio show in Denver and worked Sunday's Broncos game as an analyst for Fox Sports, has repeatedly cited Bolles' "stubborness'' in changing his technique and offered earlier this week on his show that Bolles "flat-out can't play.''

    Many players have tried to help Bolles in the past, including Broncos linebacker Von Miller, and wide receiver Emmanuel Sanders said this week that "everybody's trying to talk to him.''

    "Obviously, I'm going to keep trying to talk to Bolles and see if we can get him right and understanding what he's doing wrong because obviously to say that he'll been all right is not OK,'' Sanders said. "He needs to understand that he is doing something wrong because they keep throwing the flags on him and he keeps holding. I'm going to talk to him and hopefully we keep breaking down the film and just see him make that jump and get that debt off his back, because it's been happening for like two or three years.''


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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaccoTruther View Post
    Many of the Bolles holds are just so unnecessary he isn't getting beat and in some cases they are even after play. I haven't seen anything like it.
    I believe three of the holds last game were on running plays and a couple for sure had no effect on the play, just him blocking with his hands on the outside of the defenders outside shoulders, something the refs look for, and I bet the bears were complaining on other holds he got away with.
    I know itís unpopular to say anything positive, but i hope the dude can man up and just have a clean game, also if he does get beat cleanly and Flacco is gonna get blind sided I would rather he does hold. 10 yards lost is better than a strip sack scoop and score.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 58Miller View Post
    I believe three of the holds last game were on running plays and a couple for sure had no effect on the play, just him blocking with his hands on the outside of the defenders outside shoulders, something the refs look for, and I bet the bears were complaining on other holds he got away with.
    I know itís unpopular to say anything positive, but i hope the dude can man up and just have a clean game, also if he does get beat cleanly and Flacco is gonna get blind sided I would rather he does hold. 10 yards lost is better than a strip sack scoop and score.
    I donít know if you ever saw Rocky 2, but thereís a funny scene in the movie where Mick straps Rockyís left arm to his waist.

    Perhaps Munchak could strap Bolles arm above the elbow to his waist in the same manner during drills with the scout team. Lol

    I no itís no laughing matter but they need to figure something I ut fast to correct this guys issues because Iím thinking the broncos could be 2-0 right now if not Bolles errors.

    I think a long pass to Sutton was called back against the raiders due to a Bolles holding penalty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sam_Z View Post
    I donít know if you ever saw Rocky 2, but thereís a funny scene in the movie where Mick straps Rockyís left arm to his waist.

    Perhaps Munchak could strap Bolles arm above the elbow to his waist in the same manner during drills with the scout team. Lol

    I no itís no laughing matter but they need to figure something I ut fast to correct this guys issues because Iím thinking the broncos could be 2-0 right now if not Bolles errors.

    I think a long pass to Sutton was called back against the raiders due to a Bolles holding penalty.


    Nope, there was 5 offensive holding 2 committed by Denver and 2 by Oakland ... 1 by Bolles which as not accepted; I am sure that if it was on a long pass to Sutton it would have been accepted. Fant and Leary were the other holds on the Broncos.

    I haven't read much of this thread but who does the Broncos have that can replace Bolles if they were to bench him? I don't think there is an answer currently, they will most likely have to go with Bolles the rest of this season... I hope he can get it together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    Nope, there was 5 offensive holding 2 committed by Denver and 2 by Oakland ... 1 by Bolles which as not accepted; I am sure that if it was on a long pass to Sutton it would have been accepted. Fant and Leary were the other holds on the Broncos.

    I haven't read much of this thread but who does the Broncos have that can replace Bolles if they were to bench him? I don't think there is an answer currently, they will most likely have to go with Bolles the rest of this season... I hope he can get it together.
    I think the idea is to wait until James is healthy then move Wilks to LT.

    I actually wouldn't be opposed to just moving Bolles to RT to see how he adjusts there before possibly benching him

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    Quote Originally Posted by FlaccoTruther View Post
    I think the idea is to wait until James is healthy then move Wilks to LT.

    I actually wouldn't be opposed to just moving Bolles to RT to see how he adjusts there before possibly benching him

    That's what I was thinking. I like Wilkinson, I think he's got good size and is naturally a better athlete than people realize. I don't think we need to waste time testing Bolles out at RT. Keep it as is and just hope James gets healthy quickly.

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    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap300...ts-got-to-stop

    John Elway drafted Garett Bolles in the first round of the 2017 draft and has been one of his staunchest supporters since. But more than two years of continuous holding calls prompted the Broncos' general manager to release some rather pointed criticism of his left tackle.
    "Well, it's got to stop. Period," Elway said during his weekly appearance on KOA NewsRadio, per ESPN. "There are no more excuses for it. He's had 26 holding penalties in the last two years and two games, so it's got to stop. The bottom line is if he thinks he's getting singled out, he is. He's got to understand that. He's got to understand what he's doing. And that was my question [Sunday], 'Does he know what holding is?' Does he know what he can and can't do?'




    so if anybody thinks he is impervious...clearly Elway is watching

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    but whos calling ELWAY OUT for drafting this bum!!!!

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    Sometimes first rounders donít work. Itís ok to move on. The Patriots, Cowboys, Steelers etc have no problem moving on from failed draft picks. I feel like managements ego gets in the way and doesnít allow them to move on from crappy draft picks. My other theory is it could be a money thing considering all of the uncertainty surround team ownership.

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    The real problem is that we keep drafting for need (Bolles, Lynch, Fant) instead of BPA with the exception of the Chubb pick

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    Quote Originally Posted by elway7777 View Post
    Sometimes first rounders donít work. Itís ok to move on. The Patriots, Cowboys, Steelers etc have no problem moving on from failed draft picks. I feel like managements ego gets in the way and doesnít allow them to move on from crappy draft picks. My other theory is it could be a money thing considering all of the uncertainty surround team ownership.
    but this guy came in with baggage. it was a horrible first round pick and he already led the NCAA in yellows since hes not a disciplined player. Unless Elway's the real father of his kid it was a terrible pick.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elway7777 View Post
    The real problem is that we keep drafting for need (Bolles, Lynch, Fant) instead of BPA with the exception of the Chubb pick

    While I get your point, I think sometimes you have to draft BPA at a spot of need. Problem in many cases is the players we are drafting. If we had drafted Ramczyk, there is a good chance we wouldn't be having so many discussions about bad LT play right now.
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