So Gang...What "Role" Would You Fix First???

[JvDub95]

The line has to get fixed and our starting QB needs fixed. In all honesty does it really matter which one comes 1st? In my heart of hearts I want Lock to be the guy. I want him to show the ability to lead and rally the team behind him. IF that happens then the off-season becomes much easier to navigate.....and this season becomes much easier to watch

[58Miller]

The line has to get fixed and our starting QB needs fixed. In all honesty does it really matter which one comes 1st? In my heart of hearts I want Lock to be the guy. I want him to show the ability to lead and rally the team behind him. IF that happens then the off-season becomes much easier to navigate.....and this season becomes much easier to watch

I am definitely looking forward to Locks first start. If it’s this season it may be the only thing we can look forward too, that said I hope the kid doesn’t get killed. Flacco was bad Thursday but some of those rushes were guys coming unblocked. Would like to see Lock rum something similar to what Carr did vs us week 1. Seem like everything we run is deep drops and routes that take time to develop. We don’t have the line to run that kind of O.

[CanDB]

Good discussion gang. Remember, the topic is "what you would do", so it's not exactly a crime if we disagree.

I am the only one (so far) who fixes the QB first, but it's logistically how I see it. Bench Flacco, play Lock when Lock's ready. Design around a porous Oline, using dink and dunk, the strong run game, mixed in with some long ball threat. Move on.

But how could anyone argue that the Oline is not a huge priority? And as for Execs, I am not sure how one "fires" Big John, which is why he needs to be the bigger person, and hire a GM to handle all things personnel. Not sure why he hasn't already made this happen other than a love of power. But you can be in power and still have a GM that reports to you, and makes the team better.

But sadly, Elway has had the reins for some time, and for a HoF QB, he sure seems to have forgotten the importance of the QB and Oline positions!! Hey, you are the man in charge...you can find a talented GM to make you look even better!

[Hadez]

It starts with the O-line, Mahomes and Wilson wouldn't survive behind that group.

They basically escort Defenders to the QB or the ball carrier.

We are not in a good place right now...

That has been said over and over on these forums for years.

Wonder if the Front Office feel that way....

The Falcons used 2 1st round picks on OL in 2019. They signed 5 OL free agents in 2019. I do not get the feeling our front office has ever felt the need to go that deep into the OL and IMO the OL has been horrible since 2015.

[Hadez]

If you were king of the land, and you could change things within The Bronco organization, what would you fix asap? This is a poll, and I have listed 5 potential answers, excluding "Other". If it's "other" please just post what it is that needs to be fixed. I have limited this to 5 responses, so I am sorry if I have left out an obvious one.

If I could, I would find a better QB, because a better QB would add a few points on the board, instill much needed hope, and help keep the D off the field. For me, the QB is the main man on, and usually, off the field. If you're name is Brady, Brees, Wilson, Rodgers....you are typically the face of the organization, mostly for good reasons. Players tend to want to play with you. Fans want to cheer for you. And management can relax just a little, knowing that the QB is taking some of the load off them.

Having said that, I know that our Oline has been poorly put together, and that it is killing our O. But unlike QBs, for which there might be about 10-15 really good pros on the planet, Oliners are plentiful! And it is proven that a first year Oliner can be a pro bowler.....think Nelson. Yes, there are 5 of them on the field, but you do not need 5 pro bowlers. You need 5 big guys who can work together, and give the QB and RBs some time and space.

As for GM....I do think this is a big issue. I want badly for Elway to change the organization. He can be the President, but he should hire a talented GM by end of season, as early as a person can be hired....to get a step up on the '20 offseason. I will admit, I debate this one, because I see it as a top priority. But I am hoping that the QB situation is given a new life, once Lock returns. Then we can plan what to do beyond this season. If he doesn't have it, at least we can make that the big priority in '20, under a new GM.

I voted Elway.

The QB is the best thing to fix but also the hardest thing to fix.

The QB also will struggle if we do not figure out how to get at the min consistent average OL play with at times being above average.

We need to start docking pay to RB/TE who do not properly do their job in pass protection. I know this is probably against the rules. I do not know what Alex Gibbs did but his strict rules were legendary...whatever he did needs to be done again.

[Fantaztic7]

That has been said over and over on these forums for years.

Wonder if the Front Office feel that way....

The Falcons used 2 1st round picks on OL in 2019. They signed 5 OL free agents in 2019. I do not get the feeling our front office has ever felt the need to go that deep into the OL and IMO the OL has been horrible since 2015.

Elway and the FO recognized the problem because they signed multiple free agents and
used draft picks since 2015.

2015
Signed:
OT Ryan Harris
G Ben Garland
C Will Montgomery
G Orlando Franklin > Chargers
Drafted:
OT Ty Sambrailo, 2nd round

2016
Signed:
OT Donald Stephenson
OT Russell Okung
G Sam Brenner
Drafted:
G Connor McGovern, 5th round

2017
Signed:
G Ronald Leary
OT Menelik Watson
C Matt Paradis (tendered)
OT Russell Okung
Drafted:
OT Garrett Bolles, 1st round

2018
Signed:
G Billy Turner (re-signed)
OT Jared Veldheer
Drafted:
C Sam Jones, 6th round

2019
Signed:
OT Ja’Wuan James
Drafted:
G Dalton Risner, 2nd round

The issue was over-paying free agents who didn’t contribute. Some were injury prone and/or not good to begin with. Bolles and Sambrailo were poor picks.

Elway and the FO failed to build a decent line and that had nothing to do with Joe Ellis. First thing that must be addressed is moving on from Elway and hiring a new GM. First order of business for the GM must be firing Matt Russell.

[58Miller]

That has been said over and over on these forums for years.

Wonder if the Front Office feel that way....

The Falcons used 2 1st round picks on OL in 2019. They signed 5 OL free agents in 2019. I do not get the feeling our front office has ever felt the need to go that deep into the OL and IMO the OL has been horrible since 2015.

I know Elway is the worse GM despite SB 50 but let’s see ho he feels about the oline.
2018 - T J. James and 2nd rd pick Risner
2017 - T Watson and G Leary, 1st rd T Bolles
2016 - 5th rd G/C McGovern, T Okung, T Stephenson,
2015 - 2nd rd Sambrailo 4th rd Max Garcia, T Polumbus T Ryan Harris, C Brenner, C Ferentz
2014 - 3rd rd T Schofield, 7th C Paradis

Very clear John Elway has done nothing for oline drafted and signed 15 players:
3 centers
4 guards
8 tackles

[Ear2dastreets]

If I were the owner I would bring in a personal consultant (much like Kubiak was) for Elway to help with drafting. I would let him fulfill his contract and if by the end of next season I don't see the progress I look for a different GM.

Before the trade deadline I trade Sanders, Wolfe, Harris and entertain offers for Miller. We need to get younger at all those positions and we need ammunition for the draft.

The remaining games in this season I wouldn't hesitate to make Lock the starter. I need to see what this kid is capable of before we get to the off-season. If I feel he is not qualified for the franchise role I look 100% at QB in the draft since it will be a high pick. If Lock shows me he can win games I use that pick for an anchor at LT and build the offensive line for this kid.

As for Flacco? I just release him now, Elway screwed up big time restructuring his contract but it would be better for the team to just say goodbye and let the players build some chemistry with Lock. We want Lock to feel as comfortable as possible and we don't need a sour Flacco breathing down his neck

Wow dub. I think I for the 1st time I 98% of what you said. I a little skeptical about bring in a consultant and then we knock the draft outta the park the and elways gets all the credit and we are suck with him. I think we need to let Elway and his way of thinking go.

[Ear2dastreets]

It starts with the O-line, Mahomes and Wilson wouldn't survive behind that group.

They basically escort Defenders to the QB or the ball carrier.

We are not in a good place right now...

I completely disagree. I play quarterback. Just look at Carolina cam was getting sacked like crazy and enter allen you hear no one talk about their line, the jags line was so called terrible enter the rook and no one really talks about their line. The giants with eli same line enter jones not a peep about their line. The cardinals probably have the worst line in football by far and k murda is starting to look really good behind that bad line.

I also disagree with the pat and wilson comments. Wislon line is way worst than our and he has them at 5-1.. both pat and Wilson make most of their plays OUTSIDE the pocket. But the key phrase is "make plays outside the pocket" Their ability to move and escape help dictate what the def will do so they wont get burnt. Defs know flacco can't move it was proven on thurs night. It's not bc of the oline. The threw blitz after blitz and stunts at him bc he CAN'T move and he holds onto the ball and makes BAD DECISIONS. Lamar Jackson has Joe's same line and wrs BUT doesn't have that same def that joe had and they are 4-2 and he doesn't have 16 games yet.

When win we get that can move outside, make smart decisions and can read a defense the we will have our qb. If you out flacco behind the Texans line they would be 0-5 easily. But the have watson and they are 4-2 and could easily 5-1 but the left too much time for brees. Same if you put him behind Wilson's line.

We can draft nothing but lineman all we want but until we have a qb and not a bandaid it wont help. You dont have to have that mythical perfect oline nor sit and wait to acquire one in order for us to "feel" comfortable enough to put him out the. You dont baby a qb, let's see what he can do facing adversity.

[Ear2dastreets]

Elway and his staff are responsible for the lack of talent on the offensive line. Munchak’s coaching can only do so much with the lack of talent. The line has been a problem since before 2015 but Elway is going to figure it out? Bolles was his pick and he missed badly. McGovern is okay but not the anchor we need at center. Leary was another bad free agent signing. James received a lucrative contract as an injury prone tackle who’s already missed nearly half the 2019 season. Risner looks like he’ll be a long term starter. With Elway handing out expensive contracts to washed up quarterbacks like Joe Flacco it’s unlikely the Broncos will have the money to sign Risner when he becomes a free agent. We’re somehow supposed to believe Elway will fix the line. The line is bad and that’s on Elway. It’s been bad for a long time.

This proves my point even more we had a hot qb and he broke the single season TD record behind that same line.

[Ear2dastreets]

Give Munchak the first four picks to draft and mold his o-line.
Our next QB will be thankful.

OL needs: OC, RG, LT, OG/OC

Or else it's
Bolles
Risner
Vacant
Leary
James
next year.

Funny how people say give the offense/joe time to gel but dont think the same for the oline. Smh.

[Ear2dastreets]

I think most people would agree on a few core problems: First, quarterback has been a miss. Elway tried to solve the position through the draft and veterans and it hasn’t worked. The offensive line has been a mess for years. Coaching decisions compounded the lack of talent. It’s one thing to make a bad hire, another to stick with Vance Joseph a second season. There are other issues, so only trying to simplify the main ones. Elway is the common denominator underlying the core problems. People will usually admit those problems exist, yet continue defending the guy responsible for those repeated mistakes.

So with you theory about VJ then that means vic should be fired after his first year too then right. Why give him another year.

[Ear2dastreets]

Good discussion gang. Remember, the topic is "what you would do", so it's not exactly a crime if we disagree.

I am the only one (so far) who fixes the QB first, but it's logistically how I see it. Bench Flacco, play Lock when Lock's ready. Design around a porous Oline, using dink and dunk, the strong run game, mixed in with some long ball threat. Move on.

But how could anyone argue that the Oline is not a huge priority? And as for Execs, I am not sure how one "fires" Big John, which is why he needs to be the bigger person, and hire a GM to handle all things personnel. Not sure why he hasn't already made this happen other than a love of power. But you can be in power and still have a GM that reports to you, and makes the team better.

But sadly, Elway has had the reins for some time, and for a HoF QB, he sure seems to have forgotten the importance of the QB and Oline positions!! Hey, you are the man in charge...you can find a talented GM to make you look even better!

No you are not I been saying we need a qb for years. We can get all the linemen we want but means nothing without a legit qb. But we will see who is right.

[Ear2dastreets]

That has been said over and over on these forums for years.

Wonder if the Front Office feel that way....

The Falcons used 2 1st round picks on OL in 2019. They signed 5 OL free agents in 2019. I do not get the feeling our front office has ever felt the need to go that deep into the OL and IMO the OL has been horrible since 2015.

Atlanta sure did and they have won less games then we have. Go figure.

[Saddletramp]

Coach staff. The current one sucks.