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  1. #166
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    Quote Originally Posted by Broncos-R-Great View Post
    At this point, I’m not sure they can release him until he’s healthy. I’m guessing/hoping he gets released at the end of the year.
    They can cut a guy on the active roster, injured or not. I don't think guys on IR are allowed to be cut. Kind of a waste. Keeping him around makes it seem like they might want to start him next year. Another year down the drain should that happen.

  2. #167
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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon30 View Post
    And has no physical ability left. He's a statue that holds on to the ball too long. How anyone could believe he is still a capable NFL starter is beyond me, yet Elway believed Joe was still in his prime. Ugh.
    Yup. Also, with his original contract we could have been free of Flacco next year without any penalty....but Elway pulled an Elway and restructured his contract so we'll have a dead cap hit of 13.5 mill in 2020.

    Hopefully we can move on from this phase of picking up other teams' rejects and see what we have in Lock. Move on from there....but no more retreads at QB please!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    Yup. Also, with his original contract we could have been free of Flacco next year without any penalty....but Elway pulled an Elway and restructured his contract so we'll have a dead cap hit of 13.5 mill in 2020.

    Hopefully we can move on from this phase of picking up other teams' rejects and see what we have in Lock. Move on from there....but no more retreads at QB please!
    But that moved freed up cap space this year. The dollar amount that was guaranteed to him is the exact same. It is just paid out over multiple seasons instead of one.

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    There's no reason to release Flacco until the beginning of the new offseason, which I think is in March.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megalodon30 View Post
    They can cut a guy on the active roster, injured or not. I don't think guys on IR are allowed to be cut. Kind of a waste. Keeping him around makes it seem like they might want to start him next year. Another year down the drain should that happen.
    https://www.latimes.com/sports/nfl/l...928-story.html

    Farmer: An injured player gets paid for as long as he’s unable to play, no matter what his contract says. A team can’t release an injured player until he’s cleared. For most rookie contracts, players selected in the third round or later, there’s something called an “up-down,” which is two minimum salaries negotiated in the collective bargaining agreement. The “up” is the minimum active salary, which this season is $420,000, and the “down” ($303,000) is the minimum inactive salary. If a player is injured after eight games, he’s paid eight weeks “up” and nine weeks “down” (eight weeks, plus the bye). For most veterans, there is no “down.” It’s whatever he’s scheduled to earn. If a player gets hurt doing a football-related activity, he’s covered, no matter when it happens. So if he tears his anterior cruciate ligament in a May minicamp, he’s covered.

    There are also injury settlements, which must be agreed to within five days of a player being placed on injured reserve. Say a player suffers a sprained ankle in training camp and it’s a three-week injury. The team can pay him for those three weeks, then release him. That player is eligible to return to that team after the number of weeks the settlement was for (in this case, three), plus another six weeks. So he would be eligible to return in any capacity by Week 10. That six-week “tax” is put in place so teams can’t stash players by saying they’re injured. If a player suffers an injury doing something unrelated to football, he’s placed on the reserve/non-football injury list. It’s at the discretion of the team whether the player is paid.
    You cant cut players with serious injuries, they're supposed to stay on the team to receive medical treatment until they're healthy.

  6. #171
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW7 View Post
    But that moved freed up cap space this year. The dollar amount that was guaranteed to him is the exact same. It is just paid out over multiple seasons instead of one.
    But now you have less space next year. Why was he freeing up space this year? Simmons? Honestly don't know. Curious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oust_Elway View Post
    But now you have less space next year. Why was he freeing up space this year? Simmons? Honestly don't know. Curious.
    My guess it was to be able to trade and sign for that "1 player away" guy if we were in the running. In the end with the current rebuild mode, going after high price vets next year in FA is a nonstarter outside of some ILB and line help. That 13 mill isnt a huge hit at our current 2020 cap space. Im not stressing. Dump his rear in the trash and move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JW7 View Post
    But that moved freed up cap space this year. The dollar amount that was guaranteed to him is the exact same. It is just paid out over multiple seasons instead of one.
    You are correct. We would have been clear if we left things as is. Instead there was a restructure that freed up 13 million this season. If that’s not spent. It carries over and his cap penalty is 13 million.

    So we are even either way you look at it. If we spent the 13 this year it’s like we borrowed it against next year.

    It’s not as big a deal as some like to make it out as.
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    They won’t release Joe or reach an injury settlement, because it would be admitting that he was benched for his post game comments. Even though he hasn’t played well, you see that they still aren’t in a rush to put Lock in there. They are going with Allen instead. What good does that do?

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    Per Ryan O’Halloran of The Denver Post:

    The Broncos and Joe Flacco converted most of his 2019 base pay into a signing bonus to create $13.6 million in immediate salary cap space.

    The Broncos moved $17 million of Flacco’s base salary into a bonus and added two voidable years (2022-23), which allows the bonus to be spread over the duration of the contract.

    His salary cap number is $23.65 million in 2020 and $27.65 million in 2021, ’22 and ’23, per a league source who has seen Flacco’s altered contract. His base salaries in those years are $20.25 million (’20) and $24.25 million (’21-’23)

    The benefit of the move is 2019 cap space, which could allow the Broncos to re-sign some upcoming free agents and allocate some of that guaranteed money on this year’s cap..

    There are two potential pitfalls:

    First, the Broncos would absorb a dead money charge of $13.6 million in 2020 (all of the remaining signing bonus accelerates to that year’s cap) if they release Flacco next March.

    Second, if Flacco stays under his current contract, the cap numbers for him and outside linebacker Von Miller ($25.625 million) would total $49.275 million of the 2020 cap, which based on recent trends could rise from $188.2 million to nearly $200 million.

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    What if Joe medically retires?

    Whats the team on the hook for?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rst08tierney View Post
    What if Joe medically retires?

    Whats the team on the hook for?
    Why would he retire over a neck injury that doesn’t require surgery?

    That wouldn’t necessarily make sense financially.

    If he simply retires, the Broncos would not be on the hook for anything unless he unretires. In fact, the Broncos could recover money by going after the signing bonus.

    A retirement due to injury might be a different story. However, I don’t think he would get any money unless he can show that a doctor said he must retire because of the injury.
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