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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Freeman is pretty average, but Lindsay needs rest. I got murdered when we drafted Freeman for saying that I see his ceiling as potentially CJ Anderson, and that I thought he was over drafted. I think right now up until this point through 2 seasons we have seen exactly that. However, the CJ Anderson clone comment might of even been a stretch as a young CJ Anderson was far superior to Royce Freeman in terms of power, tackle breaking ability, and reliability.

    When it comes to Lindsay and touches, I don't understand why we can't give him his regular 12-15 carries, and get him another 5-7 touches in other ways ? Why cant we move him around more and get him the ball in space, he is a weapon that was under utilised last year as well under Musgrave.
    Part of the issue is he seems to have hands of stone

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    I just do not think the OC are using the RBs efficiently. Phillip Lindsay should be your 3rd Down Type of Scat Back While Royce should be the Feature Back. Royce can pound it hard down the Middle while Phillip can be used on Sweeps and On Screens to which lies my point and that is they both are not being used correctly. Royce when he is in averaged like 4.0 Yards Per Carry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    I just do not think the OC are using the RBs efficiently. Phillip Lindsay should be your 3rd Down Type of Scat Back While Royce should be the Feature Back. Royce can pound it hard down the Middle while Phillip can be used on Sweeps and On Screens to which lies my point and that is they both are not being used correctly. Royce when he is in averaged like 4.0 Yards Per Carry.
    There is no logic to this based on how the two have played. Lindsay averages closer to 5 yards a carry and is the more explosive/talented back between the two.

    You can point to Freeman's more prototypical size but that's all he has. Lindsay has proven to be the more productive back. It baffles me that they keep trying to pepper in Freeman as much as they do. Takes away touches from Lindsay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnlimburg View Post
    Freeman is pretty average, but Lindsay needs rest. I got murdered when we drafted Freeman for saying that I see his ceiling as potentially CJ Anderson, and that I thought he was over drafted. I think right now up until this point through 2 seasons we have seen exactly that. However, the CJ Anderson clone comment might of even been a stretch as a young CJ Anderson was far superior to Royce Freeman in terms of power, tackle breaking ability, and reliability.

    When it comes to Lindsay and touches, I don't understand why we can't give him his regular 12-15 carries, and get him another 5-7 touches in other ways ? Why cant we move him around more and get him the ball in space, he is a weapon that was under utilised last year as well under Musgrave.
    I'd like to take this a bit further. CJ was a better back right out of the gate. In fact as recently as last year CJ has already shown he was still a better RB.

    In order to have thunder you need to be able to plow people. We need a bigger back with some modest speed. IMO unless a major change occurs we may well see two of our three RBs cut as so.e of the new rookies may well show better promise and upside.

    Lindsay is the only one who I see as different and unique...aka worth keeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DENVERSB50CHAMP View Post
    I just do not think the OC are using the RBs efficiently. Phillip Lindsay should be your 3rd Down Type of Scat Back While Royce should be the Feature Back. Royce can pound it hard down the Middle while Phillip can be used on Sweeps and On Screens to which lies my point and that is they both are not being used correctly. Royce when he is in averaged like 4.0 Yards Per Carry.
    What?!?!


    That is asinine. Lindsay is averaging 5 a carry and Royce is 3.9. Even if we round up that is still 1 ypc in Lindsays favour. This includes his between the tackle runs. If anything you'd like to see Lindsay get run with her sweeps, backfield throws, short tosses etc. And run the ball. To state that Royce is somehow the better back is simply just not proven by facts and stats.

    Hell even the unreliable eye test shows you that. I watched Lindsay run up the gut and get 5 to 6. Then Royce ran the same play and got stopped for a two yard gain. A power back needs to shimmy shake or just straight up plow guys over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rich_C View Post
    What?!?!


    That is asinine. Lindsay is averaging 5 a carry and Royce is 3.9. Even if we round up that is still 1 ypc in Lindsays favour. This includes his between the tackle runs. If anything you'd like to see Lindsay get run with her sweeps, backfield throws, short tosses etc. And run the ball. To state that Royce is somehow the better back is simply just not proven by facts and stats.

    Hell even the unreliable eye test shows you that. I watched Lindsay run up the gut and get 5 to 6. Then Royce ran the same play and got stopped for a two yard gain. A power back needs to shimmy shake or just straight up plow guys over.
    I agree, I would use Lindsay more than what they are. I think he should be way more involved in the passing game. He is so shifty he could do so much more damage if given the opportunity

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    Quote Originally Posted by JW7 View Post
    There is no logic to this based on how the two have played. Lindsay averages closer to 5 yards a carry and is the more explosive/talented back between the two.

    You can point to Freeman's more prototypical size but that's all he has. Lindsay has proven to be the more productive back. It baffles me that they keep trying to pepper in Freeman as much as they do. Takes away touches from Lindsay.
    I am not the only one that see it.


    Lindsey is td threat anytime he touches the ball. The more times he tou hes the ball the better he is about to be the first back to back 1k season sense Portia was here. Why would any one still think royce>lindsey all royce has over lindsey is size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JvDub95 View Post
    I agree, I would use Lindsay more than what they are. I think he should be way more involved in the passing game. He is so shifty he could do so much more damage if given the opportunity
    The worry there is lindsey I
    Has questionable hands if he can fix those he is an elite back. But still he is a very good back.

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    Royce Freeman rarely gets to carry the ball. Even when he does carry the ball it's in a short yardage situation when the defense already knows a run is coming. That's why his YPC is so low. Lindsey can't pass block, break tackles or catch the ball out the backfield that good. I'm not saying Freeman is better but Lindsey has the advantage when it comes to play calling,
    Go Hard or Go Home

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    I don't want to say I'm disappointed in Freeman - but he just doesn't seem to play as 'big' or to his size.

    He seems to go down quite easily for a big 'bruiser'.

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    I love Taz. Probably my favorite player right now. Love his tenacity and heart. Heís the kind of guy who is really easy to root for.

    I agree that this season has been a bit wonky in the running game. Lindsay is dynamic, but he wasnít utilized very well IMO. Freeman is decent and I think he pairs nicely as a 1/2 punch along with Lindsay. Though not legendary, Iím pretty happy with the backfield.

    Scangs struggled with rhythm and tempo and play calling - especially early in the season. Still, I saw improvement, so I think an offseason will do wonders for Lindsay, Scangs and the running game in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BR0NCOFANATIC View Post
    Royce Freeman rarely gets to carry the ball. Even when he does carry the ball it's in a short yardage situation when the defense already knows a run is coming. That's why his YPC is so low. Lindsey can't pass block, break tackles or catch the ball out the backfield that good. I'm not saying Freeman is better but Lindsey has the advantage when it comes to play calling,
    that isn't accurate. Freeman's YPC is higher than Lindsay in short yardage though.

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    Yeah but Freeman has a good positive yard % per carry. He has far less plays go for negative yards. And 90% of the time when freeman does break a nice play it gets called back for a holding penalty. So itís not all on him. Yes Lindsey is the better of the 2. But Freeman isnít as bad as you guys are making him sound. And Iíd rather see him out there then Booker who shouldnít have been on this team the last 3 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos SB2010 View Post
    that isn't accurate. Freeman's YPC is higher than Lindsay in short yardage though.
    Looking at this it gives a guide as to what makes Freeman successful. Heís clearly at his best in 3 WR sets which makes sense because it takes an extra LB off the field and allows Freeman more room to build up steam and show off his power. He also ran out of a bunch of spread looks in college so maybe he sees the field better out of those formations

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    Quote Originally Posted by BR0NCOFANATIC View Post
    Royce Freeman rarely gets to carry the ball. Even when he does carry the ball it's in a short yardage situation when the defense already knows a run is coming. That's why his YPC is so low. Lindsey can't pass block, break tackles or catch the ball out the backfield that good. I'm not saying Freeman is better but Lindsey has the advantage when it comes to play calling,
    Are you even watching the game. Half things you say sound like freeman has size. So freeman runs with more power. While I don't think Lindsey's hands are good at all. But the guy runs with good power and he is really good at getting lower and falling forward. We lindsey seems to have most his issues are catching and pass blocking
    Pass blocking shouldn't be a surprise he is normally giving up at least 40 pounds on a lb he would be trying to block and alot of backs his size struggle in the pass protection.

    If I am the coach next year I am telling lock and Lindsey to play catch regularly . Get lindsey used to making more natural hand catches and just try to get him catching the ball more.

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