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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    Maybe I am ignored because of one thing or another, but no one has yet to explain how they would manage this, given their belief we are over reacting. Still waiting for a plan of attack that will get us through without all these "silly" rules and measures.
    Nothing wrong with some strong recommendations,but making "orders/mandates/prohibitions" is not right. I say the government should be informing the public and making strong recommendations on how to deal with the situation, not ordering people, infringing on freedoms/rights. Bottom line is that it has to be left to individuals to use common sense and be considerate of others ... stay home if you're sick.
    Where I live they have cancelled school for the rest of the year after first suspending for 2 weeks; I think they could have waited until most of that 2 weeks before deciding to cancel the rest of the season but it was "ordered" by the Governor. Here in the US like Canada there is a mass amount of land. Areas in the middle of the US are not the same as the coasts, even here in Kansas, KC and Wichita areas is not the same as southeast/northeast Kansas rural areas.

    How is this different/worse than the H1N1/Swine Flu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    Nothing wrong with some strong recommendations,but making "orders/mandates/prohibitions" is not right. I say the government should be informing the public and making strong recommendations on how to deal with the situation, not ordering people, infringing on freedoms/rights. Bottom line is that it has to be left to individuals to use common sense and be considerate of others ... stay home if you're sick.
    Where I live they have cancelled school for the rest of the year after first suspending for 2 weeks; I think they could have waited until most of that 2 weeks before deciding to cancel the rest of the season but it was "ordered" by the Governor. Here in the US like Canada there is a mass amount of land. Areas in the middle of the US are not the same as the coasts, even here in Kansas, KC and Wichita areas is not the same as southeast/northeast Kansas rural areas.

    How is this different/worse than the H1N1/Swine Flu?
    Mortality rate is higher at this point (although that number will hopefully change and decrease as more tests are initiated). But that also leads to my next point - preparedness.

    I've also read that Covid19 is more contagious:

    The H1N1 flu was also less contagious than the novel coronavirus. The basic reproduction number, also called the R-nought value, is the expected number of individuals who can catch the virus from a single infected person. For the 2009 H1N1 virus, the mean R-nought value was 1.46, according to a review published in the journal BMC Infectious Diseases. For the novel coronavirus, the R-nought value is estimated to be between 2 and 2.5, at the moment.
    H1N1 - was a pandemic that the government was actually prepared for. Test kits were put out and initiated 11 days or so after early H1N1 cases popped up. In comparison, with Covid19, it took over a month to initiate tests.

    Supplies and equipment also weren't as depleted as they are today.

    I think they are pretty different...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless View Post
    Mortality rate is higher at this point (although that number will hopefully change and decrease as more tests are initiated). But that also leads to my next point - preparedness.

    I've also read that Covid19 is more contagious:



    H1N1 - was a pandemic that the government was actually prepared for. Test kits were put out and initiated 11 days or so after early H1N1 cases popped up. In comparison, with Covid19, it took over a month to initiate tests.

    Supplies and equipment also weren't as depleted as they are today.

    I think they are pretty different...
    "There are antiviral medicines you can take to prevent or treat swine flu. There is a vaccine available to protect against swine flu. You can help prevent the spread of germs that cause respiratory illnesses like influenza by

    Covering your nose and mouth with a tissue when you cough or sneeze. Throw the tissue in the trash after you use it.
    Washing your hands often with soap and water, especially after you cough or sneeze. You can also use alcohol-based hand cleaners.
    Avoiding touching your eyes, nose or mouth. Germs spread this way.
    Trying to avoid close contact with sick people.
    Staying home from work or school if you are sick.

    Centers for Disease Control and Prevention"

    Sounds very similar to the current virus. There isn't a vaccine but there is medicine to treat this. R-nought value is still a prediction for the Covid thing but have results from the H1N1.
    At the beginning of the H1N1 what made it not as bad to take all these precautions?
    Much of this is political and commenting on it at this time is really futile.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brianmcfarlane View Post
    Nothing wrong with some strong recommendations,but making "orders/mandates/prohibitions" is not right. I say the government should be informing the public and making strong recommendations on how to deal with the situation, not ordering people, infringing on freedoms/rights. Bottom line is that it has to be left to individuals to use common sense and be considerate of others ... stay home if you're sick.
    Where I live they have cancelled school for the rest of the year after first suspending for 2 weeks; I think they could have waited until most of that 2 weeks before deciding to cancel the rest of the season but it was "ordered" by the Governor. Here in the US like Canada there is a mass amount of land. Areas in the middle of the US are not the same as the coasts, even here in Kansas, KC and Wichita areas is not the same as southeast/northeast Kansas rural areas.

    How is this different/worse than the H1N1/Swine Flu?
    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless View Post
    Mortality rate is higher at this point (although that number will hopefully change and decrease as more tests are initiated). But that also leads to my next point - preparedness.

    I've also read that Covid19 is more contagious:



    H1N1 - was a pandemic that the government was actually prepared for. Test kits were put out and initiated 11 days or so after early H1N1 cases popped up. In comparison, with Covid19, it took over a month to initiate tests.

    Supplies and equipment also weren't as depleted as they are today.

    I think they are pretty different...
    They are different.

    Respect the process. Listen to the experts. And if you feel ok, it does not mean you can't spread it.

    I agree, isolated places should be a bit safer, and stats verify that to a point. They travel (abroad) less, they receive less travellers (in general). But a smaller community has a smaller medical system, and within no time the whole community could have a severe problem trying to manage. Imagine it like brush fires here there and everywhere....you may be small and isolated, but you do have little assurances if a virus infects just one person.

    Further, some places are and will be governed in different ways. California and NY are more emergent than folks, say in small central towns (I am assuming this, given I have not read about every location). They have huge, and often dense populations, and the travel factor is major. The trick for smaller, isolated locations is to win the battle early. And they can. And they will come out of this faster, meaning they may be able to proceed with certain aspects of life sooner, maybe much sooner.

    If your house foundation has a serious issue, and you are experiencing basement water, do you use common sense only, or do you contact a specialist (well, a reliable specialist!). Again, not the best analogy, but first thing that comes to mind. This is a serious situation....and I believe if we just stay away from one another, we will contain it nicely. And yes, certain places, if they are wise, will be ready for more activities quite quickly. Heck, I could see a smaller community with zero infections, being allowed to get back to a nearly normal life within a month or so. Now, this is just a gut feeling. Still will need to be watchful for comers or goers. There will be a transition period for all of us.
    Last edited by CanDB; 03-21-2020 at 09:10 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless View Post
    I know. I've read and heard about retired health care workers to come back from retirement. To be honest, if they declined - I would totally support that decision. All of those folks have put their time in. Why take ANOTHER chance to possibly get sick when these retirees put their health on the line for decades during their work?

    This is just a clear evidence that our wonderful federal government was not and IS not prepared for this pandemic.

    It's amazing literally seeing (and being a part of this) every day as it gets worse and worse from day to day...
    In all fairness, there isnít a country in the world that seems prepared. Nevertheless Brent, I donít want to debate with you, but just say thank you for going to work every day and doing the best you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CanDB View Post
    I would argue that some were / are much more proactive. In fact, if you look back not too long ago, some were almost in denial or ignorance.

    And if so, the time lost = many lives....and the faster spread of this virus, which = extreme measures now.

    It's called leadership or lack thereof.
    Maybe so Can, but I donít see the point in debating it even though it could be debated. The fact is this is a global pandemic, with the global economy on the edge of a depression that I pray doesnít happen. Pointing fingers helps no one right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peerless View Post
    Also, you're recent post about how we should let individuals use common sense? Guess what dude, people are friggin' STUPID. Many people HAVE no common sense.
    Beat me to it. Common sense is a myth, it's not common at all. The panic-buying/hoarding despite supply chains remaining intact is evidence enough of this truth. Folks calling 911 for no toilet paper or flushing shirts or packing beaches and bars (before they closed) is substantially more. The entire population as a whole can't be trusted to make sensible choices and contain a pandemic that few actually understand. The debates here are a microcosm of the confusion about what this is and why social distancing is necessary.
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    But to those of you who are working in the medical profession, thank you. I pray for you this morning, and those in the food supply chain who work tirelessly for the people all around the world. Iíve spoken with some grocery store managers on the western half of the states in the last couple of weeks and they all sound exhausted and somewhat bewildered, hoping this will end soon because of the hysteria theyíre enduring in their stores.

    This outbreak has given me a world perspective and empathy that Iíve probably needed for a long time. I want the people around the world to be cared for, just like I want me family and community to be cared for.

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    Ok...we are getting political here..

    Let’s steer away from that please...
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    Quote Originally Posted by EddieMac View Post
    Ok...we are getting political here..

    Let’s steer away from that please...
    Yes sir, working that way. My apologies.


    No worries.. I saw you were right before my post,.. thank you.,
    Last edited by EddieMac; 03-21-2020 at 11:28 AM.

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    Today hordes of caravanners and campervans from North West England and the Midlands descended on our small town of 2000 to buy all the supplies in our shops! All the Caravan and camping parks in town are closed so they're all parked up by the lake!
    Locals are livid. What a fantastic way to spread the virus!

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    As I said... stay away from politics...
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    Beat me to it. Common sense is a myth, it's not common at all. The panic-buying/hoarding despite supply chains remaining intact is evidence enough of this truth. Folks calling 911 for no toilet paper or flushing shirts or packing beaches and bars (before they closed) is substantially more. The entire population as a whole can't be trusted to make sensible choices and contain a pandemic that few actually understand. The debates here are a microcosm of the confusion about what this is and why social distancing is necessary.
    There appears to be a new online prank with learned teenagers coughing on produce in grocery stores, and posting it online.

    Sadly, not surprising.
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    Quote Originally Posted by L.M. View Post
    Beat me to it. Common sense is a myth, it's not common at all. The panic-buying/hoarding despite supply chains remaining intact is evidence enough of this truth. Folks calling 911 for no toilet paper or flushing shirts or packing beaches and bars (before they closed) is substantially more. The entire population as a whole can't be trusted to make sensible choices and contain a pandemic that few actually understand. The debates here are a microcosm of the confusion about what this is and why social distancing is necessary.
    Exactly! I have felt that way for years and years....there is a major shortage of commons sense. And priorities. And simple use of comparison information. And sadly, common sense is vital to this war we are now facing. I call it a war, because it's us against it. I actually think we are under siege, and it's more its world than ours.....but we will win this, maybe sooner than we imagine (hopefully).

    But with a lack of common sense, you lose ground, because what you gain is compromised.

    Perhaps my parents and their parents and so on, went through hard times and as a result gained common sense. Perhaps such tragic events as this will give us better perspective on the other side of it. There are lessons learned and experience gained when facing such uncharted exercises.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lumiere View Post
    There appears to be a new online prank with learned teenagers coughing on produce in grocery stores, and posting it online.

    Sadly, not surprising.
    Sorry Gman, I should have included your post along with P's.

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