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Originally posted by CanDB View PostI will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
Everyone is afraid of Gates and Fauci but even that is a long ways off, (Vaccine wise). We may just have to learn to live under quarantine for the next 2-5 years which really stinks but gradually we should be able to accept and do it!Last edited by Sam_Z; 08-03-2020, 07:49 PM.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostI will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostI will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks."There is no plan B. Plan A is to win the Super Bowl" - John Elway
PLAN A ACCOMPLISHED 2/7/16!!!
LSU 15-0 2019 BCS Champions...Geaux Tigers :dance:
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Originally posted by Bronco51 View PostThey went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.
Not to mention the vast difference between the two travel leagues: Baseball teams fly to up to 3 cities every week, and have a lot of down time after each game to get themselves in trouble. Meanwhile the NFL teams will fly into the opposition city the day before the game, will go straight to the hotel and stay there until the next day when they will go to the stadium, play the game and then on a bus straight to the airport in order to fly home.Last edited by Butler By'Note; 08-03-2020, 09:21 PM.
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Originally posted by CanDB View PostI will ask you this question.....do we understand the potential of long term damage to those who have been infected? Until that is established, I would never compare this to the flu, even if it's just young folks. We don't even know how it will look months from now, as in characteristics, nor do we know if it can be acquired more than once. And until there is some form of vaccine and treatment, we are playing on its field, not ours.
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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostAnd if there's never a vaccine or treatment? There are lots of things we've never found vaccines or treatments for, including the other Corona Viruses, right now the thought of either is just blind faith. At some point governments and people will need to start planning what life looks like in 1 or 2 years with no vaccine or treatment, because fear and blind faith can't last forever.
The good news for me.....I have faith in medical research and know how, and humans are adaptable, and will make the most of this, as long as we work together.Last edited by CanDB; 08-04-2020, 06:55 AM.
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Originally posted by orange crush75 View PostThey've already said you can get it more then once. The antibodies only stay on your system for 3 months . This is why if you test positive you aren't supposed to test for 12 weeks . So the chances of a vaccine isnt great. then again people get the flu shot every year but still get the flu so theres that
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I keep hearing the question asked "what if this never goes away"
When it becomes apparent that it won't, we'll adjust accordingly, but we can't just refuse to take appropriate measures now because it might "be long term" and we don't want to do this forever...
The longer you fight doing it, the longer this thing is likely to take and the more deadly it'll end up.sigpic
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Originally posted by Butler By'Note View PostAnd if there's never a vaccine or treatment? There are lots of things we've never found vaccines or treatments for, including the other Corona Viruses, right now the thought of either is just blind faith. At some point governments and people will need to start planning what life looks like in 1 or 2 years with no vaccine or treatment, because fear and blind faith can't last forever.
As far as mutations, like Influenza, it seems that is a question of whether or not new strains would be significant enough to subvert an existing vaccine. From what I'm reading, so far there's no sign of that, because of the way the engineered vaccine targets the protein that allows the virus to attach to cells. There's not enough "variability" in mutations.
The first results are encouraging. The coronavirus presents little variability, approximately seven mutations per sample. Common influenza has a variability rate that is more than double."The SARS-CoV-2 coronavirus is presumably already optimized to affect human beings, and this explains its low evolutionary change," explains Federico Giorgi, a researcher at Unibo and coordinator of the study. "This means that the treatments we are developing, including a vaccine, might be effective against all the virus strains."
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Originally posted by Sam_Z View PostCould you provide a link to confirm this? I’m not seeing anything online!
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Originally posted by Bronco51 View PostThey went from 4 to 13 over the weekend. How is the NFL going to keep this from happening? I haven't seen how they're trying to keep players under lock and key.
A deadline for NFL players to opt out of the 2020 season is Thursday, but later opt-out choices can be made related to medical or family circumstances.
Following the agreement, the NFL Management Council sent NFL teams an updated discipline schedule that included suspensions and fines for what is deemed "High Risk COVID-19 Conduct," such as going to bars, clubs and house parties without personal protective equipment or that involve greater than 10 people in attendance.
Players will also be subject to fines for refusing to submit to virus testing ($50,000) and refusing to wear a mask, PPE or tracking devise or failing to maintain social distancing during team travel, which would be progressive fines of up to $14,650.Last edited by Hadez; 08-04-2020, 11:19 AM.What is Grit? - Angela Duckworth
effort x talent = skill
effort x skill = achievement
How much time do you invest into your dream? 10 hours a week? 20 hours? 40 hours? 80 hours? 120 hours?
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Originally posted by bronx_2003 View PostThe big problem you will get is there will be 2 groups of people that make up a minority but will scream their heads off.
1 - The group who will not leave their house until life holds zero risk, they have already written off doing anything in 2020 and are too scared to move their life forward. These are the fragile types who generally need their hand held through life.
2 - A small group of people who live for drama and enjoy the big news and drama of Covid, they will be glued to the TV every day and shouting at every little development, happily swallowing every little detail and regurgitating it as gospel.
People like this will always frustrate people like us who just want to get on with life, need to work to pay the bills, and have some common sense of taking sensible measures without taking it to a stupid level of not wanting any part of life to move forward.
I see on one side people buying too much into the dramatized news. There are people who will not go any further with their self education and run with it as this point.
I see people not giving some of the medical professional the benefit of the doubt in realizing we are dealing with something new...least on a scale this large. We had really bad data set until sometime in May as we were only testing the people likely to have the worst cases of Covid19. There will be mistakes and every mistake does not mean a conspiracy.
I been forced to put my head into hundreds of hours of science talk while gathering some of my own data because I feel the news is not doing a good job for the public in all of this. Even if we take away the dramatized parts of the news in all fairness we are not going to get the whole story in a 30-90 sec clip....it is on us to do some of our own research.
There are another group of people who are living a very comfortable life getting paid while at home. Some are getting full pay and some are getting partial pay. I can see why they do not want to go back to how things were before. The people I know in this group (full pay and partial pay) are buying hard into stay at home option at this point. All of them tell me they are doing less work than they were before while "working at home" and the people I know are getting paid 80%-100% of their former paychecks. I can see why they like staying at home.
This is not even yet including the people who been getting unemployment up until last Friday. In some cases they been getting more to not work than to work. Yet another group of people who up until Friday did not want people to go back to work.
This is probably the most complex issues that most (all?) of us have ever seen. It is very difficult to express all the different components, opinions and things we have learned.What is Grit? - Angela Duckworth
effort x talent = skill
effort x skill = achievement
How much time do you invest into your dream? 10 hours a week? 20 hours? 40 hours? 80 hours? 120 hours?
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Originally posted by bronx_2003 View PostThe big problem you will get is there will be 2 groups of people that make up a minority but will scream their heads off.
1 - The group who will not leave their house until life holds zero risk, they have already written off doing anything in 2020 and are too scared to move their life forward. These are the fragile types who generally need their hand held through life.
2 - A small group of people who live for drama and enjoy the big news and drama of Covid, they will be glued to the TV every day and shouting at every little development, happily swallowing every little detail and regurgitating it as gospel.
People like this will always frustrate people like us who just want to get on with life, need to work to pay the bills, and have some common sense of taking sensible measures without taking it to a stupid level of not wanting any part of life to move forward.
I think you missed a very large group who just do their best, are cautious, and care about the lives of others as well as their own. They may not be too vocal, but they are not happy with the cavalier ways of some irresponsible types who seem to think they are good to go, and that's all that matters to them.
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