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    Tight roster spot battles

    #5 WR- Charlie Adams looks to me to have won this spot, both by special teams and WR play. But he's definitely not relaxing yet with Devoe and the potential of Luke over his shoulder.

    A #3 QB, do we keep one, or not. My personal preference would be to put Mauck on the practice squad, and only keep two active.

    DT - We know our starters are G. Warren & M. Myers, but who and how many will follow them up? Pope, Fatafehi, L. Elliss, D.Davis, etc. I prefer to keep Pope, Fatafehi and Davis myself. Davis' potential is still very intriguing.

    #6 WR- Do we keep one? Is it worth another spot on the roster to make room for either Devoe or T. Luke. I've been a fan of Luke's all last year and this offseason, but he has really played skittish in practice and the games IMO. Devoe on the other hand, has been a consistent contributor. Seeing that Rod and Jerry leave us with a lot of age at WR, I prefer to keep 6 and make Devoe a part of the team.

    #1 RB- I think MA has got to start the season as the starter, but I look for Tatum to sneak up and get more and more carries each game through the first 5 weeks, similar to what Clinton Portis did in his rookie year. However, I don't think Tatum will ever take the job outright.

    K/P- Sauerbrun should be a great addition, but this is one spot I'm in favor of keeping Ernster for kickoffs. Kicking off was one of the points of contention for Sauerbrun in Carolina, and I'd rather have him on the active roster than a 3rd QB, as long as we have one on the practice squad.

    O-line- I really think Chris Myers' versatility and strong showing in the Niners game has earned him a spot on the active roster. Another point on him, he has avoided what many of our lineman have not and has kept his # out of the refs mouth. I prefer Cornell Green to Clement because of his versatility, and Clement has had some trouble with penalites, not just in games, in practice too.

    Safety- Marques Anderson adds a new interesting element. Lynch and Ferguson have a strangle hold on the starting spots. Brandon has played VERY well so far and LeSueur has a firm hold as well, he should only get better. With Browner now on IR, Anderson very well might make the team IF he can prove to be a solid contributor on special teams.

    CB- Do we keep Roc Alexander. Paymah will not be released, and has certainly been tested. Roc will have to prove his mettle possibly against what Marques Anderson now brings, I really think the deciding factor between the 10th DB will come down to special teams coverage. Who is getting free from blocks and making tackles.

    What battles are you tuned into? Who do you think will prevail? Your thoughts?

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    think it will be 2 active QB's and the friehuaf kid on the PS. If we cut Danny K he probably will not get picked up same prob goes for mauk.

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    Christian #7

    You do realize you are cutting two of our first teamers who HAVE been practicing and playing well so far in Alexander and Myers.

    You're also cutting Kieth Burns and Patrick Chuckwurah at LB who have played more than anyone else in a back up role and are two of our top special teamers, which IS a huge area of need for us right now.

    An opinion's great and all, we all have one. But those two points stuck out pretty strong to me among other things as pretty strong oversights. IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian #7
    Stephen Alexander (Cut)
    I totally disagree with you on this. Alexander is going to be starting for us. He's probably the best all around tight end on the team. I see Hape or Duke being cut before he does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncosfan247
    I totally disagree with you on this. Alexander is going to be starting for us. He's probably the best all around tight end on the team. I see Hape or Duke being cut before he does.
    I think Duke will be on the practice squad and Hape will unfortunately be cut because we will keep Mike Leach for long snapping, OR Leach will be cut if Chris Myers can do the snapping.

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    I still don't think C. Myers will make active roster. pract. squad yes. I think Watton will make it before C. Myers. Take Foster He spent a year on the p squad first before he played on the active. just my thoughts, nothing against Myers

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    Okay, I'm just going to clear up some things here.
    First off, Mauck CAN NOT be placed on the practice squad as he was active for all regular season games last year.
    Second, Foster was never on the practice squad, he was declared inactive for the first 15 games of his rookie season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by White Dragon
    Second, Foster was never on the practice squad, he was declared inactive for the first 15 games of his rookie season.
    Your right, my bad I forgot about that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jletourneau
    #5 WR- Charlie Adams looks to me to have won this spot, both by special teams and WR play. But he's definitely not relaxing yet with Devoe and the potential of Luke over his shoulder.

    A #3 QB, do we keep one, or not. My personal preference would be to put Mauck on the practice squad, and only keep two active.

    DT - We know our starters are G. Warren & M. Myers, but who and how many will follow them up? Pope, Fatafehi, L. Elliss, D.Davis, etc. I prefer to keep Pope, Fatafehi and Davis myself. Davis' potential is still very intriguing.

    #6 WR- Do we keep one? Is it worth another spot on the roster to make room for either Devoe or T. Luke. I've been a fan of Luke's all last year and this offseason, but he has really played skittish in practice and the games IMO. Devoe on the other hand, has been a consistent contributor. Seeing that Rod and Jerry leave us with a lot of age at WR, I prefer to keep 6 and make Devoe a part of the team.

    #1 RB- I think MA has got to start the season as the starter, but I look for Tatum to sneak up and get more and more carries each game through the first 5 weeks, similar to what Clinton Portis did in his rookie year. However, I don't think Tatum will ever take the job outright.

    K/P- Sauerbrun should be a great addition, but this is one spot I'm in favor of keeping Ernster for kickoffs. Kicking off was one of the points of contention for Sauerbrun in Carolina, and I'd rather have him on the active roster than a 3rd QB, as long as we have one on the practice squad.

    O-line- I really think Chris Myers' versatility and strong showing in the Niners game has earned him a spot on the active roster. Another point on him, he has avoided what many of our lineman have not and has kept his # out of the refs mouth. I prefer Cornell Green to Clement because of his versatility, and Clement has had some trouble with penalites, not just in games, in practice too.

    Safety- Marques Anderson adds a new interesting element. Lynch and Ferguson have a strangle hold on the starting spots. Brandon has played VERY well so far and LeSueur has a firm hold as well, he should only get better. With Browner now on IR, Anderson very well might make the team IF he can prove to be a solid contributor on special teams.

    CB- Do we keep Roc Alexander. Paymah will not be released, and has certainly been tested. Roc will have to prove his mettle possibly against what Marques Anderson now brings, I really think the deciding factor between the 10th DB will come down to special teams coverage. Who is getting free from blocks and making tackles.

    What battles are you tuned into? Who do you think will prevail? Your thoughts?

    i think devoe makes the wr postition tough to call. i agree with you take on adams and think his punt return ability may spell the end for luke. it would be a shame to cut devoe though, after his camp.

    there are tons of tough decisions to make. i dont think shanny can afford both a #3 qb and a KO specialist. i could see them only keeping KJ as a fullback (using MA in a pinch). that could free up one spot. with pryce and brown's health being questionable at best shanny may feel it necessary to keep an extra dl on hand.

    i think at cb roc may be cooked, if you smell what i mean. i think shanny goes with the two starters and the 3 rookies. leseur can be an important piece, being able to play corner or safety as a backup, and should be effective as a special teamer. i believe early in camp he was getting some reps at the nickle, not sure if he still is.

    i would much rather be in a situation where you have to cut someone that can play than keep someone due to lack of options. now hopefully shanny and his staff make the right decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian #7
    Our TE's
    Jeb Putzier
    Patrick Hape
    Wesley Duke
    Stephen Alexander (Cut), Hape was wonderful for us in the redzone last year as not just a recieving TE but also a blocking TE as well as a blocking FB on quite a few plays, and Duke and Putzier will develope into GREAT recieving TE's. Putzier will excell not just in recieving but in blocking with experience, Duke is still too early to see.
    1?There is NO way Stephen Alexander will be cut.

    2)There is NO way Wesle yDuke makes the team.

    3)There is NO way Stephen Alexander gets cut before Duke and/or Hape.


    Just IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic
    1?There is NO way Stephen Alexander will be cut.

    2)There is NO way Wesle yDuke makes the team.

    3)There is NO way Stephen Alexander gets cut before Duke and/or Hape.


    Just IMHO.

    don't worry, it's not just your opinion, it's fact.

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    The coaches are in a tough delima this year as far as the roster goes, but that is good. I would rather be in a delima over who to keep because of performance rather than positions that are set in stone and there is no competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Christian #7
    Our QB's
    Jake Plummer
    Danny Kanell
    Bradlee Van Pelt

    Our RB's
    Mike Anderson
    Tatum Bell
    Ron Dayne (Griffin=Trade or Cut)

    Our WR's
    Rod Smith
    Ashley Lelie
    Jerry Rice
    Darius Watts
    Charlie Adams
    Triandos Luke
    Todd Devoe

    Our TE's
    Jeb Putzier
    Patrick Hape
    Wesley Duke
    Stephen Alexander (Cut), Hape was wonderful for us in the redzone last year as not just a recieving TE but also a blocking TE as well as a blocking FB on quite a few plays, and Duke and Putzier will develope into GREAT recieving TE's. Putzier will excell not just in recieving but in blocking with experience, Duke is still too early to see.

    Our D-Line:
    Pryce
    Warren/Fatafehi
    Elliss/Pope (Cut/Trade Myers)
    Brown

    Our LB's:
    Ian Gold/Sykes
    Al Wilson/Pierce
    D.J. Williams/Sykes

    Our DB's:
    1-Bailey
    2-Walls
    3-Williams
    4-Foxworth
    fs-Lynch
    ss-Ferguson
    Hmm, why are there only thirty-three players on your roster? Surely, you would want more than that on an NFL team. After all, a team is allowed to have 53. Perhaps some more DLs, DBs, RBs, Ks, and FBs might get you closer??

    If it sounds like I'm explaining this to a baby, I'm sure you'll understand why...
    A proponent of Denver drafting Cutler since 10/05.

    So naturally, my Adopt-A-Bronco is Jay Cutler!

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    Well, J-Let...

    Quote Originally Posted by jletourneau
    #5 WR- Charlie Adams looks to me to have won this spot, both by special teams and WR play. But he's definitely not relaxing yet with Devoe and the potential of Luke over his shoulder.

    A #3 QB, do we keep one, or not. My personal preference would be to put Mauck on the practice squad, and only keep two active.

    DT - We know our starters are G. Warren & M. Myers, but who and how many will follow them up? Pope, Fatafehi, L. Elliss, D.Davis, etc. I prefer to keep Pope, Fatafehi and Davis myself. Davis' potential is still very intriguin


    #6 WR- Do we keep one? Is it worth another spot on the roster to make room for either Devoe or T. Luke. I've been a fan of Luke's all last year and this offseason, but he has really played skittish in practice and the games IMO. Devoe on the other hand, has been a consistent contributor. Seeing that Rod and Jerry leave us with a lot of age at WR, I prefer to keep 6 and make Devoe a part of the team.

    #1 RB- I think MA has got to start the season as the starter, but I look for Tatum to sneak up and get more and more carries each game through the first 5 weeks, similar to what Clinton Portis did in his rookie year. However, I don't think Tatum will ever take the job outright.

    K/P- Sauerbrun should be a great addition, but this is one spot I'm in favor of keeping Ernster for kickoffs. Kicking off was one of the points of contention for Sauerbrun in Carolina, and I'd rather have him on the active roster than a 3rd QB, as long as we have one on the practice squad.

    O-line- I really think Chris Myers' versatility and strong showing in the Niners game has earned him a spot on the active roster. Another point on him, he has avoided what many of our lineman have not and has kept his # out of the refs mouth. I prefer Cornell Green to Clement because of his versatility, and Clement has had some trouble with penalites, not just in games, in practice too.

    Safety- Marques Anderson adds a new interesting element. Lynch and Ferguson have a strangle hold on the starting spots. Brandon has played VERY well so far and LeSueur has a firm hold as well, he should only get better. With Browner now on IR, Anderson very well might make the team IF he can prove to be a solid contributor on special teams.

    CB- Do we keep Roc Alexander. Paymah will not be released, and has certainly been tested. Roc will have to prove his mettle possibly against what Marques Anderson now brings, I really think the deciding factor between the 10th DB will come down to special teams coverage. Who is getting free from blocks and making tackles.

    What battles are you tuned into? Who do you think will prevail? Your thoughts?

    Nice analysis and legitimate questions, all...

    #1) QB's.....I say we have to keep three....Plummer, BVP and Mauck....we have been burned keeping two in the past, I just don't think you take that risk...

    #2) Look, I really would love to keep all seven of the prominent contenders at WR, but I agree the Broncos will keep six....but I think Devoe will end up being the odd man out as basically C Adams and Devoe are similar players, and Adams is clearly the better Special Teams player....T Luke is too intruiging still, and has legit deep speed....I bet the Broncos Coaches keep him around and let Devoe go, sorry mate...

    #3) DT's...I think we keep four....G Warren, M Myers, Fatafehi and D Davis....Pope will be lost in favor of Davis, and the Broncos will keep six DE's...Pryce, C Brown, M Coleman, E Ekuban, J Engleberger and A Palepoi (too valuable as an outside pass-rush threat for Broncos to cut loose...)...10 D-linemen total...


    ****WILD CARD*** To my knowledge, Ellis Johnson is still unsigned....if this is true, I place a call to his agent to see if his is interested in a One Year deal, which would still leave him two weeks to get ready, which should be no problem for a crqafty vet like Johnson....and he IS a legit inside pass-rush threat....


    #4) The Broncos will 'cheat' on roster spots on the O-line, (8), and the LB's (5)...
    BTW, last preseason, Dwayne Carwell was playing at LT as a backup to Matt Lepsis, and to some, outplayed Lepsius in TC last season....so why the move to RG this year? With that stiff Cornell Green playing the backup LT position??? PUT CARSWELL BACK AS LEPSIS' BACKUP at LT, Coach Dennison, please!!!

    This would allow us to keep the better player, Anthony Clement, at RT, and C Myers or C Watton as the backup at both G and C positions...allowing (8) O-linemen that Shanahan likes to do....this makes perfect sense, because then Carswell could get used to lining up as a TE in Goal-Line Offensice sets, and effectively have the Broncos playing with TWO right or Left tackles in the Red Zone...which is a nice, unique feature they can attack with...we then supplement this with a pair of additional O-linemen, OT Eric Pears, who at 6'8"-308 deserves a year with the team and another traqining camp (ask CSU Coach Sonny Lubick about this kid...he loves him)...and last years T/G eligible, Tyson Clabo for depth on the Practice Squad...

    Cornell Green should be cut, period.

    As for the LB's, the Broncos know they have strength in numbers if they were to cut Terry Pierce, Louis Green, Jashon Sykes and Markus Steele...one or two may get picked up elsewhere, but all four won't, leaving them free to return later if need be...


    #5) ...The RB situation is going to look much like it did in the month of December for the Broncos last season, with Mike Marine replacing Droughns....that is to say, the Broncos will split their carries between Tater and MA....with some Dayne thrown in....Shanahan is going to try out something new....a RB X Committee approach....and Cecil Sapp will make it...Quiffin will go on IR, and Clarett will either go on the PUP, IR or get cut....my vote would be to put him on the PUP, leave the door open and give him the proverbial carrot to perform this season...RB is a psoiton of instinct...if Clarett is a legit NFL calibur RB, this time he has missed shouldn't really be that much of a factor...he will come into the seaason fresh when he finally gets healthy....you know, sorta like Tater did last season...

    I don't know....Clarett may well be a bust...he certainly has not deserved PT to this point....but we DID ultimately spend a third-rounder on him, we might as well see what we can salvage (if there is anything) by letting him play when he can....if he were a WR or a DB, etc, I would say 'No Way!'....but as a RB, he can still be effective based on natural skill, if he in fact has any...By adding him to the Physically-Unable to Perform (PUP) list, you buy him six weeks, and if in six weeks he still does not look ready, you simply stash him on IR...


    #6) To me it comes down to if we keep an extra kicker (Ernster) or a fourth TE, Patrick Hape.....because S Alexander, Putzier and Mike Leach are locks, and we know the Broncos Coaching staff likes Patrick Hape, and with the Broncos using a bunch of double-TE sets, keeping four TE's would seem to make sense...so to me, the Broncos cut Ernster and stash him on the Practice Squad if they can get away with it....and TRY to get by with Todd Sauerbraun initially....then if Sauerbraun can't cut it, Ernster would be available....really, I try not not waste this roster spot....Christ, if you really need one, you SHOULD be able to find a Kicker who can kicoff should it becaome absolutely necessary....especially at Altitude...

    So my call is we keep Hape.


    Can Marques Anderson beat out Sam Brandon???


    Brandon Browners injury that allowed him to go on IR was a Blessing in Disguise....both for the player and the team
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    well stated

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Luminous
    Nice analysis and legitimate questions, all...

    #1) QB's.....I say we have to keep three....Plummer, BVP and Mauck....we have been burned keeping two in the past, I just don't think you take that risk...

    #2) Look, I really would love to keep all seven of the prominent contenders at WR, but I agree the Broncos will keep six....but I think Devoe will end up being the odd man out as basically C Adams and Devoe are similar players, and Adams is clearly the better Special Teams player....T Luke is too intruiging still, and has legit deep speed....I bet the Broncos Coaches keep him around and let Devoe go, sorry mate...

    #3) DT's...I think we keep four....G Warren, M Myers, Fatafehi and D Davis....Pope will be lost in favor of Davis, and the Broncos will keep six DE's...Pryce, C Brown, M Coleman, E Ekuban, J Engleberger and A Palepoi (too valuable as an outside pass-rush threat for Broncos to cut loose...)...10 D-linemen total...


    #4) The Broncos will 'cheat' on roster spots on the O-line, (8), and the LB's (5)...
    BTW, last preseason, Dwayne Carwell was playing at LT as a backup to Matt Lepsis, and to some, outplayed Lepsius in TC last season....so why the move to RG this year? With that stiff Cornell Green playing the backup LT position??? PUT CARSWELL BACK AS LEPSIS' BACKUP at LT, Coach Dennison, please!!!

    This would allow us to keep the better player, Anthony Clement, at RT, and C Myers or C Watton as the backup at both G and C positions...allowing (8) O-linemen that Shanahan likes to do....this makes perfect sense, because then Carswell could get used to lining up as a TE in Goal-Line Offensice sets, and effectively have the Broncos playing with TWO right or Left tackles in the Red Zone...which is a nice, unique feature they can attack with...we then supplement this with a pair of additional O-linemen, OT Eric Pears, who at 6'8"-308 deserves a year with the team and another traqining camp (ask CSU Coach Sonny Lubick about this kid...he loves him)...and last years T/G eligible, Tyson Clabo for depth on the Practice Squad...

    Cornell Green should be cut, period.

    As for the LB's, the Broncos know they have strength in numbers if they were to cut Terry Pierce, Louis Green, Jashon Sykes and Markus Steele...one or two may get picked up elsewhere, but all four won't, leaving them free to return later if need be...


    #5) ...The RB situation is going to look much like it did in the month of December for the Broncos last season, with Mike Marine replacing Droughns....that is to say, the Broncos will split their carries between Tater and MA....with some Dayne thrown in....Shanahan is going to try out something new....a RB X Committee approach....and Cecil Sapp will make it...Quiffin will go on IR, and Clarett will either go on the PUP, IR or get cut....my vote would be to put him on the PUP, leave the door open and give him the proverbial carrot to perform this season...RB is a psoiton of instinct...if Clarett is a legit NFL calibur RB, this time he has missed shouldn't really be that much of a factor...he will come into the seaason fresh when he finally gets healthy....you know, sorta like Tater did last season...

    I don't know....Clarett well may be a bust...he certainly has not deserved PT to this point./...but we DID ultimately spend a third-rounder on him, we might as well see what we can salvage (if there is anything) by letting him play when he can....if he were a WR or a DB, etc, I would say 'No Way!'....but as a RB, he can still be effective based on natural skill, if he in fact has any...


    #6) To me it comes down to if we keep an extra kicker (Ernster) or a fourth TE, Patrick Hape.....because S Alexander, Putzier and Mike Leach are locks, and we know the Broncos Coaching staff likes Patrick Hape, and with the Broncos using a bunch of double-TE sets, keeping four TE's would seem to make sense...so to me, the Broncos cut Ernster and stash him on the Practice Squad if they can get away with it....and TRY to get by with Todd Sauerbraun initially....then if Sauerbraun can't cut it, Ernster would be available....really, I try not not waste this roster spot....Christ, if you really need one, you SHOULD be able to find a Kicker who can kicoff should it becaome absolutely necessary....especially at Altitude...

    So my call is we keep Hape.
    well voiced opinion Jack. I like your Dwayne Carswell suggestion, it makes sense. The only thing I haven't liked about Clement is that he has seemed a tad undisciplined at times, perhaps the reason Denny Green offered him a fresh start during house cleaning. But you're right, he is the superior talent. If he beats out Green, I hope the focus will come back into play a little more.

    And just out of curiosity, not towards you Jack, but in general, where in the world has Nate Jackson gone. I know the guy is a little dinged up, but after a couple days of camp it's like the guy decided to pack it in never to be heard from again, except of course on Bronco pregame in declaration of his desire to get into the Hollywood scene, sounds good Jax, go get'em. But seriously, he has disappeared. Makes you kind of think that he might of been right at the forefront of Rod Smith's comments about playing through pain to contribute on the team. Maybe he is more injured than we know, but it hasn't appeared that way, weird development there.

    I see your point on Devoe, and I've been a Luke fan since the day he was drafted, but have been entirely unimpressed the last month or so. In fact, the most notice he's really conjured up for himself was his tackle on Devoe after the 92 yarder. He does have awesome potential, hopefully he can find it here. But Devoe is really showing a knack for just playing football at his position so far. That would be the toughest cut for me. Maybe the coaches analysis of Luke a few weeks ago was too right on the money, Kubiak stated that he played a little more timid than confident. I'd really like to see what he could do putting in all together.

    Ah well, first cuts are coming soon. Probably not too many surprises there. That first date in September though, these boards are going to be busy. Can't wait.

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