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    Quote Originally Posted by kmartin575
    Hali wasn't considered a reach until his pro day. Before that most mock drafts had him going to the Falcons with the 15th pick.

    Not most of the ones I saw Kmart. The ones I saw had Hali in the lower end of draft where you got him and the upper part of the second round. Newvertheless atm he still considered a reach.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC
    Not most of the ones I saw Kmart. The ones I saw had Hali in the lower end of draft where you got him and the upper part of the second round. Newvertheless atm he still considered a reach.
    Yeah most i saw had him either late first or early second. But after his pro day he did fall to mid second in the ones i read. Yes he was a reach, but i guess Herm likes him, that or Peterson does
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    I think Dumervil was a good value pick for Denver in the 4th round......i was wondering if SF was considering taking him as a 3-4 OLB, but he probably is not athletic enough to play that position and more suited for a 4-3 defense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SF49erFaithful
    I think Dumervil was a good value pick for Denver in the 5th round......i was wondering if SF was considering taking him as a 3-4 OLB, but he probably is not athletic enough to play that position and more suited for a 4-3 defense.
    We actually snagged him late in the fourth.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes Owl
    We actually snagged him late in the fourth.
    Wasn't he originally project to go in the late second or third round?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC
    Wasn't he originally project to go in the late second or third round?
    Depends on who was doing the projecting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC
    Wasn't he originally project to go in the late second or third round?
    Before his poor combine...yes, he was projected to go much earlier than he did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by T8KNOVR
    Bronco Nagurski Award (nationís defensive player of the year)

    All-American first-team selection by The NFL Draft Report and American Football Coaches Association

    Walter Camp Football Foundation Top Ten Player of the Year honors

    All-Big East Conference first-team pick and Defensive Player of the Year

    He is in great company as Champ won the Bronco Nagurski Award in 1998. I may be drunk off the Dumervil kool-aid but I from what G. Warren and A. Wilson have said watch out!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Archimedes Owl
    We actually snagged him late in the fourth.
    My bad, when i was typing up that post i was thinking about Dumervil and Parys Haralson and i guess i wrote 5th because i was thinking about Haralson who went a round later in the 5th

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    In my experience, you can never tell how a draft pick will do until you see him play in a NFL game. I hope Dumervil does well, he certainly played well in college, but I will hold back my judgement until I see him play.

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    Broncos seeking creative ways to pressure QBs

    Despite notching 30 sacks in the final two seasons of his career at the University of Louisville, and establishing a Division I-A record with 11 forced fumbles in 2005, Elvis Dumervil spiraled into the fourth round of this year's draft before the Denver Broncos tossed the defensive end a life preserver after 125 names had been called.

    The primary reasons for the tumble: Dumervil's size -- or, more aptly, the lack thereof (5 feet 11 3/8, 257 pounds) -- and a pedestrian 40-yard time nearly into the 4.6s.

    But rushing the passer, for some players, is a knack, one that supersedes "measurables." And that is why one of the more notable items elicited from the Broncos' three-day minicamp this week was that Dumervil was aligned inside at tackle, not end, in some of the nickel pass-rush combinations with which defensive coordinator Larry Coyer experimented.

    Never mind that Dumervil, despite a thick physique, wasn't even considered big enough to play end, let alone tackle, by a lot of scouts who assessed him in the months before the draft. Increasingly, it seems, as teams seek new ways to create pressure strictly from the front four, speed is the premium, even at the tackle spots. And although Dumervil's stopwatch times might not be great, he possesses competitive closing speed when chasing down quarterbacks. For any defense, especially one that struggled to put quarterbacks on the ground the way the Denver unit did in 2005, that's a skill set that can't be ignored.

    More teams around the league are moving ends inside on nickel downs, turning the pass rush into a track meet, one in which defenders who get out of the blocks quickly are highly valued. If the trend continues to evolve, teams might field nickel front fours that are more like relay teams.

    It's not a new gimmick, of course, because almost nothing ever is in the NFL. A considerable portion of Reggie White's 198 career sacks came when he moved inside to tackle and was able to go against an overmatched guard. The New York Giants used to slide Michael Strahan inside on occasion earlier in his career. But White and Strahan (at least a few years ago, before he dropped some weight) were big men. Dumervil, by comparison, is pretty much a Munchkin.

    It doesn't matter, though, if you can rush the passer.

    The past several years, the Indianapolis Colts have nudged starting left end Raheem Brock to tackle in nickel situations even though he weighed just 270 pounds. This season, Brock will start at tackle even in the "base" defense, on what is one of the least bulky front four units in the league. Signed in free agency to play left end, Tony Weaver will move to tackle for the Houston Texans, in part because of the selection of Mario Williams with the top pick in the draft but also because the coaching staff seems to like the matchup possibilities that can be created inside. When he was the New Orleans head coach, Jim Haslett regularly dropped right end Darren Howard inside on nickel downs and frequently played four ends in his pass-rush front four. Expect similar alignments from the St. Louis Rams this year now that Haslett is the coordinator there. The Giants have worked this offseason on a nickel package that features four ends, in an effort to get quicker players such as Justin Tuck and rookie Mathias Kiwanuka onto the field.

    The aim, especially for the Broncos, is to ramp up pressure without having to bring extra rushers.

    In the AFC Championship Game loss to Pittsburgh six months ago, the Denver rush scheme was badly exposed when the Steelers consistently brought a tight end or wide receiver back in motion toward the formation, then kept that player in as an extra blocker against the blitz. Because the Broncos really had no big-time pass-rush threat -- all those former Cleveland Browns defensive line rejects, lauded for their solid play against the run in 2005, totaled 10 sacks -- they were forced to manufacture pressure. Even then, the Broncos finished with a mere 28 sacks, the NFL's fourth-lowest total.

    Like the staffs of all the other franchises that didn't garner a Super Bowl ring in 2005, the Denver coaches went back to the drawing board in the offseason. Whatever changes were considered, none is probably rock-solid yet, but it's a good bet we'll see fewer blitzes in 2006 from Denver, less size up front in most nickel situations and more of pure pass-rushers like Dumervil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T8KNOVR
    Broncos seeking creative ways to pressure QBs

    The primary reasons for the tumble: Dumervil's size -- or, more aptly, the lack thereof (5 feet 11 3/8, 257 pounds) -- and a pedestrian 40-yard time nearly into the 4.6s.

    But rushing the passer, for some players, is a knack, one that supersedes "measurables." And that is why one of the more notable items elicited from the Broncos' three-day minicamp this week was that Dumervil was aligned inside at tackle, not end, in some of the nickel pass-rush combinations with which defensive coordinator Larry Coyer experimented.

    Dumervil, by comparison, is pretty much a Munchkin.

    It doesn't matter, though, if you can rush the passer.


    The aim, especially for the Broncos, is to ramp up pressure without having to bring extra rushers.

    In the AFC Championship Game loss to Pittsburgh six months ago, the Denver rush scheme was badly exposed when the Steelers consistently brought a tight end or wide receiver back in motion toward the formation, then kept that player in as an extra blocker against the blitz. Because the Broncos really had no big-time pass-rush threat -- all those former Cleveland Browns defensive line rejects, lauded for their solid play against the run in 2005, totaled 10 sacks -- they were forced to manufacture pressure. Even then, the Broncos finished with a mere 28 sacks, the NFL's fourth-lowest total.

    Like the staffs of all the other franchises that didn't garner a Super Bowl ring in 2005, the Denver coaches went back to the drawing board in the offseason. Whatever changes were considered, none is probably rock-solid yet, but it's a good bet we'll see fewer blitzes in 2006 from Denver, less size up front in most nickel situations and more of pure pass-rushers like Dumervil.


    coyer is Looking, looking, gone. If he does not produce some sacks and more importantly pressure on the GOOD QB's this next year, with this waste of a DL we had last year.


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    Dumervil could be the next John Randle

    When Randle came out of Texas A&I (now Texas A&M-Kingsville) in 1990, he was considered a tweener, too small at 6-1, 248 pounds to be a down lineman and not a real linebacker. Nobody drafted him, and he appeared headed for Tampa Bay as a free agent, until a they decided he was too small to play for them. Randle joined the Vikings and became the teamís best defensive lineman since Alan Page. While Randle is only about 6-2 on his toes, he is ended his career at a rock-solid 290 pounds' Randle had a wide array of moves, and played with great intensity and ferocity. In Pro Football Weeklyís "Scoutís Notebook 1990," he was described this way: "Good athlete. Quick. Gets up the field. Makes plays. Pressures the quarterback. Gives great effort." However, it was also noted that, while he excelled in college, he might be too small to play defensive lineman in the NFL. They are saying the same thing about Dumervil.

    DUMERVIL WILL BE A BEAST!
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    Quote Originally Posted by T8KNOVR
    When Randle came out of Texas A&I (now Texas A&M-Kingsville) in 1990, he was considered a tweener, too small at 6-1, 248 pounds to be a down lineman and not a real linebacker. Nobody drafted him, and he appeared headed for Tampa Bay as a free agent, until a they decided he was too small to play for them. Randle joined the Vikings and became the teamís best defensive lineman since Alan Page. While Randle is only about 6-2 on his toes, he is ended his career at a rock-solid 290 pounds' Randle had a wide array of moves, and played with great intensity and ferocity. In Pro Football Weeklyís "Scoutís Notebook 1990," he was described this way: "Good athlete. Quick. Gets up the field. Makes plays. Pressures the quarterback. Gives great effort." However, it was also noted that, while he excelled in college, he might be too small to play defensive lineman in the NFL. They are saying the same thing about Dumervil.

    DUMERVIL WILL BE A BEAST!
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmartin575
    Sure thing, whatever you say.
    I don't know if Dumervil will be a beast or not only time will tell. What I do know is that if he only makes a career out being a pass rush specialist there is no dishonor in that . I would rather have that happen than draft a first or second round bust.
    Last edited by TXBRONC; 07-13-2006 at 06:46 PM.
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