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    Quote Originally Posted by cswil
    I am not sure what stats you are quoting.

    2000 228 carries/770 yards/3.4 ypc
    2001 180/690/3.8
    2002 125/428/3.4

    2005 Denver 53/270/5.1/Long 55 (take out the 55 yard run and ypc is 4.1).

    He had his chance in NY. Lost it to Tiki Barber.
    I hope Dayne resurects the Wisconsin days. I really do, as a Broncos fan, but you must be logical.
    are the stats i explained to u. When Dayne was the FEATURED BACK for 3 games b/c Barber was out due to injury his stats were 58car. 337yds, 3tds w/ a 5.3avg. Those numbers Your showing me his spot Duty numbers. 2carries every 4-5 series. Exept for his rookie year, he split carries with tiki 50/50. And that was his best season. After that, Dummy Fassel, made him goaline and shortyardage back. That's not how u play this guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    i'm not saying that Dayne cant have his job taken away from him. but if were going with the rbbc approah as its been stated over and over, i think he has to be in there in the mix. TD had everything, i dont see that in none of the backs yet. I'm not saying MBell is too small either , he has great size. But from his college career, i undesatnd he split time there his entire 4yrs, so which goes to show me he most likley can not carry the ball 25-30 times for 16t games.

    Plus Back when TD played they werent guys as big as they are now. TD wouldnt be able to play at 205lbs in todays game. 10 yrs ago definetly.
    Lots of college backs split the carries. Lendale White and Reggie Bush. Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Those are just example from the past two years where guys split carries and yet are expected to be feature backs in the NFL (except maybe Bush due to his versatility).

    Anyway, there is no guarantee that we'll run a RBBC. That's only the plan if nobody steps up and proves to be a feature back. But if we do run it, I expect Tatum Bell to still be the change of pace back and Mike Bell to compete more with Dayne for that position. Tatum is all about speed, with little in the way of moves or even the best ability to cutback through the hole. Tatum would be more of the complementary back with either Dayne or Mike Bell, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    are the stats i explained to u. When Dayne was the FEATURED BACK for 3 games b/c Barber was out due to injury his stats were 58car. 337yds, 3tds w/ a 5.3avg. Those numbers Your showing me his spot Duty numbers. 2carries every 4-5 series. Exept for his rookie year, he split carries with tiki 50/50. And that was his best season. After that, Dummy Fassel, made him goaline and shortyardage back. That's not how u play this guy.

    that begs the question.....Why could Ron Dayne (the Heisman winning diesel from Wisconsin) not establish himself as the dominant player in NY? Hell, Tiki fumbled 30 times a year and Ron still could not win the job. Blame Fassell or whoever, but I think Ron should shoulder some of that load.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    Well, i think At this point MBell would be more suited in a TBELL role. I dont think MBell is gonna wear any defense down, for 16t games.
    You don't think a 6'0 220 RB can wear down a defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PLUMMERFAN16
    You don't think a 6'0 220 RB can wear down a defense?
    I remember a guy about that size that did plenty of wearing down of defenses. He wore #30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    are the stats i explained to u. When Dayne was the FEATURED BACK for 3 games b/c Barber was out due to injury his stats were 58car. 337yds, 3tds w/ a 5.3avg. Those numbers Your showing me his spot Duty numbers. 2carries every 4-5 series. Exept for his rookie year, he split carries with tiki 50/50. And that was his best season. After that, Dummy Fassel, made him goaline and shortyardage back. That's not how u play this guy.
    Dayne was DEFINITELY misused in NY. In college, I was absolutely amazed by how he moved for a "big back". I think he will shine here, but I don't see him putting up huge numbers. Maybe somwhere along the lines of the 1240yds Droughns put up. I'm rooting for Mike Bell, because he is getting to live his dream and it doesn't get much better than that. If he takes carries away from T-Bell, I'll be VERY happy. He, IMO, is the lazy one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cswil
    that begs the question.....Why could Ron Dayne (the Heisman winning diesel from Wisconsin) not establish himself as the dominant player in NY? Hell, Tiki fumbled 30 times a year and Ron still could not win the job. Blame Fassell or whoever, but I think Ron should shoulder some of that load.
    only split carries his rookie season. After that year he only avg. about 5-6 car a game. Thats no way in hell helping shoulder the load. He was striclty goaline- shortyardage back. You have to blame thatwhole organziztion for even drafting him when they had tiki. He's not gonna run people over 1 carry every 5 series. Dayne is the type of back that needs his carries. they didnt give him the chance to be the featured back unless they had to, and i showed u what he did when he's the featured back. It's not rocket science. I followed him the entire time he was NY, trust me, it was Fassel. Once Tiki blossomed Dayne should have been out of there, and he tried for a trade, and Fassel deactivated him for the 2003 season, for wanting to get out.

    shanny knows what to do with this guy to showcase his talent, and thats what he's here for. u gotta little taste last year. Hopefullty you'll get the rest this season.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLUMMERFAN16
    You don't think a 6'0 220 RB can wear down a defense?
    of cousre i do, he has great size. i ment to say, is he durable enough though? I dont think right now, but once he gets accustomed to the speed and feel of this league. I think he'll be a monster.
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    If you guys get a chance check out the 2006 Pro-football Perspectus. They have a nice article in there about what type of back wears out a defense. It's in the Pitsburg section and so they compare smaller backs like Parker and Big backs like Bettis, and what the numbers show is that smaller backs who get a lot of carries wear out defense whereas bigger backs tend to get worn down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Javalon
    Lots of college backs split the carries. Lendale White and Reggie Bush. Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. Those are just example from the past two years where guys split carries and yet are expected to be feature backs in the NFL (except maybe Bush due to his versatility).

    Anyway, there is no guarantee that we'll run a RBBC. That's only the plan if nobody steps up and proves to be a feature back. But if we do run it, I expect Tatum Bell to still be the change of pace back and Mike Bell to compete more with Dayne for that position. Tatum is all about speed, with little in the way of moves or even the best ability to cutback through the hole. Tatum would be more of the complementary back with either Dayne or Mike Bell, IMO.
    you maybe right. i agree. But u dont see many trio of backs in NCaa, and thats what i've heard of MBELL. That he was part of a trio of backs, but that could because he had some nagging injuries. It is said that he had a problem staying healthy.

    i think were gonna use the RBBC approach no matter what. It's been working, and it keeps the guys fresh, and defenses off balance. More and More Nfl teams are using it. Like a 1-2 punch. MA carried the ball over 20times a game last year, he showed he could do it, and we still went with the rbbc. I think nowadays guys are just to talented to be on the bench, and u wanna have that feeling that u can put anyone back there to get the job done. And if we dont run it, i believe the releif back should be able to do whatever the featured back is capable of doing. but i think it just to hard to keep Tbell on the bench with that breakawa ability. He would have to really stink it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PLUMMERFAN16
    Dayne was DEFINITELY misused in NY. In college, I was absolutely amazed by how he moved for a "big back". I think he will shine here, but I don't see him putting up huge numbers. Maybe somwhere along the lines of the 1240yds Droughns put up. I'm rooting for Mike Bell, because he is getting to live his dream and it doesn't get much better than that. If he takes carries away from T-Bell, I'll be VERY happy. He, IMO, is the lazy one.
    i dont know how u can say he wont put up huge numbers, when's he's done it before. I see him putting up way more numbers than Droughns did. Droughns was srtictly a fullback running Tailback. I think dayne was way more intagibles than Droughn does. Just my opinon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    i dont know how u can say he wont put up huge numbers, when's he's done it before. I see him putting up way more numbers than Droughns did. Droughns was srtictly a fullback running Tailback. I think dayne was way more intagibles than Droughn does. Just my opinon.
    Droughns had AWAYS been a Tailback, but was forced to play Fullback, just like Mike Anderson did. .................. I like Dayne too, but I'm not so sure you are not mostly a Ron Dayne fan instead of a Bronco fan. I want the best back to play and start. Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, Dayne, I don't care, just no more Running by committee.
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    oh ok,

    Quote Originally Posted by HolyDiver
    Droughns had AWAYS been a Tailback, but was forced to play Fullback, just like Mike Anderson did. .................. I like Dayne too, but I'm not so sure you are not mostly a Ron Dayne fan instead of a Bronco fan. I want the best back to play and start. Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, Dayne, I don't care, just no more Running by committee.
    i guess i'm wrong. i thought Droughns was always a fullback, then once his stellar performance year was over, he turned into a tailback. When i did see him i thought he ran more like a fullback than a tailback.
    Its' not mostly that i'm a dayne fan, i do want the best man to win ,and if Dayne cant cut it, someone else will. My thing is, he's in an offense that won him the Heisman, and i beleive he can duplicate his performance. Why not beleive he can do it?

    Btw, i like the RBBC, i'm all for it. Backs have longer careers that way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HolyDiver
    Droughns had AWAYS been a Tailback, but was forced to play Fullback, just like Mike Anderson did. .................. I like Dayne too, but I'm not so sure you are not mostly a Ron Dayne fan instead of a Bronco fan. I want the best back to play and start. Mike Bell, Tatum Bell, Dayne, I don't care, just no more Running by committee.
    Great post. I want what is best for Denver. I fell Tatum Bell. Just my opinion. If it is Dayne I am all for that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAYNETRAYNE
    Well, i think At this point MBell would be more suited in a TBELL role. I dont think MBell is gonna wear any defense down, for 16t games.
    What makes you think fatboy's gonna last 16 games. He'll wear himself out, not the defence.

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