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  1. #16
    Quote Originally Posted by kmartin575
    Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.

    to qoute brian billick: "i'll worry about his forty time when they start lining quarterbacks up forty yards behind center!"


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    I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these Freeney and Dumerville comparisons.

    So Dumerville is small like Freeney, big deal. Shall I go and through out every short DE in the last year or 2 in the NFL and bring comparisons to Freeney?

    Here's a difference between the 2. Freeney is an established pass rushing threat at the end position in the NFL. Dumerville hasn't even played a down.

    I think Dumerville might be a good player down the road, but I don't see him with much playing time at all this year, and probably being our 5th or 6th best DE, behind Ekuban, Brown, Lang, Jackson, and maybe even Engelberger.

    Dumerville will be fighting for a roster spot, although I think he'll get one cuz he's young and intriguing, but leave Dwight Freeney out of it.

    It's an inuslt to Freeney, and not fair to Dumerville.

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    First of all, it's Dumervil and secondly -- you haven't been hearing much about any of our ends in camp, secondly -- Dumervil is first team in the nickle package playing defensive tackle and is on the second team playing defensive end. This kid is making the roster, no doubt about it. Honestly, why wouldn't he make the team?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dream
    First of all, it's Dumervil and secondly -- you haven't been hearing much about any of our ends in camp, secondly -- Dumervil is first team in the nickle package playing defensive tackle and is on the second team playing defensive end. This kid is making the roster, no doubt about it. Honestly, why wouldn't he make the team?

    Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

    I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

    He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

    It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

    One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

    You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic
    Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

    I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

    He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

    It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

    One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

    You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.
    Actually, Dumvervil may be better compared to Bert Berry. He was not as good against the run at first, but now is a complete DE. He's a rookie, but give him time and I se him as the starting DE by mid to late season.
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    One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.
    Wow, no kidding? That's a bold statement.

    He has weaknesses against the run, but that's not why he's here. He was brought in to rush the passer. He has the nose for the ball, sacks the quarterback and forces fumbles. Maybe he doesn't have the ideal size, but the kid regardless of who he plays against -- got to the ball. There are plenty of players like Mario Williams, Mathias Kiwanuka and higher profile ends that got a lot of sacks against poor teams in garbage time, but nobody mentions that.

    I don't care what level you're at, what he did in college was impressive. Even if he's not an every down guy for us in the NFL. . . if he can get us 25 tackles or so, and some sacks -- more power to us. Just as much as any of our lineman have done. To get a guy of his caliber in the fourth round is pretty good. Had Dumervil been 6'4 - 265 pounds, he was a top fiteen pick easy. Without question.

    6'0 -- 255 pounds? That's fine by me. There are a lot of guys that size who have been successful. . . I can think of a guy who played for the Broncos who was around that too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic
    I'm getting sick and tired of seeing these Freeney and Dumerville comparisons.

    So Dumerville is small like Freeney, big deal. Shall I go and through out every short DE in the last year or 2 in the NFL and bring comparisons to Freeney?

    Here's a difference between the 2. Freeney is an established pass rushing threat at the end position in the NFL. Dumerville hasn't even played a down.

    I think Dumerville might be a good player down the road, but I don't see him with much playing time at all this year, and probably being our 5th or 6th best DE, behind Ekuban, Brown, Lang, Jackson, and maybe even Engelberger.

    Dumerville will be fighting for a roster spot, although I think he'll get one cuz he's young and intriguing, but leave Dwight Freeney out of it.

    It's an inuslt to Freeney, and not fair to Dumerville.
    I don't like the Freeney to Dumervil comparisons either, but how can you say "it's an insult to Freeney". This type of comparison is a HUGE compliment to Freeney. It's merely Bronco fans hoping that Dumervil can turn into a impact player.

    Dumervil will definitely make the team. There has been nothing negative about him coming out of camp. He has a huge motor and I think/hope he can make an impact this year in passing situations. I would be thrilled if he can develop into a player that can contribute 7 or 8 sacks a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic
    Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

    I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

    He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

    It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

    One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

    You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.
    I prefer to be a "cup half full" kind of guy. It's too early to declare Dumervil the next Freeney or the next "anybody", but the early returns haven't been disappointing.

    He's getting a lot of time with the 1st team D on passing downs.

    He's getting a lot of time with the 2nd team D on "regular" downs.

    He's getting positive comments from coaches and players.

    He's not buried on the depth chart.

    He's in camp and working hard.

    What's not to like!!

    These positive comments don't mean he's the second coming of "so-and-so", but it's certainly a lot better than seeing him buried in the depth chart and dropping into oblivion.

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    I say we just use 6 linemen, 3 LBs and 3 DBs on passing downs, then we have our front 7(Or 8) look like this:

    LB LB DT DT DE LB DE DE
    OT OG C OG OT

    Lang and Dumervil are the two DEs on the far right, and DJ is the LB to the left of them... Hell yeah, 3 of the fastest pass rushers on the field coming from one end... MWAHAHAHAHA

    Bahahahahaha no match for our l33t pass rush skillz... Even with 5 WRs(Yes, leaving 2 receivers uncovered), we still bring that package, agressiveness wins championships

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    Quote Originally Posted by ECBronco
    I don't like the Freeney to Dumervil comparisons either, but how can you say "it's an insult to Freeney". This type of comparison is a HUGE compliment to Freeney. It's merely Bronco fans hoping that Dumervil can turn into a impact player.

    Dumervil will definitely make the team. There has been nothing negative about him coming out of camp. He has a huge motor and I think/hope he can make an impact this year in passing situations. I would be thrilled if he can develop into a player that can contribute 7 or 8 sacks a year.
    I think the guy will tear it up, I really do. I'm not saying 20 sacks a season, more like the 6-8 you mentioned at first. But Berry and Hayward started out like that too. And now Berry is good for 11, 12 a season. I was so happy when we drafted both Dumervil and Brandon Marshall. Both of those guys will end up being great picks I think.
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  11. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by silkamilkamonic
    Thanks for the spelling lesson. I'm pissed off I won't get my Gold Star for the day.

    I'll hold judgement on any opinion on Dumervil until I see him do something in preseason.

    He was nothing but a one dimensional player in college that got the majority of his nation leading sacks against a D1AA team and in a span of 4 games or so.

    It won't take long for a team to figure out that to nuetralize his 'amazing pass rushing skillz', all they need to do is run right at him.

    One dimensional players have repeatedly shown to not be as important as all around players in the NFL, especially at the DE position.

    You don't need to look past Carlos Thomas and KGB to figure that one out. Look at Simeon Rice. The more he focuses on rushing the QB and getting his sacks, the more Tampa Bay's run defenses has suffered throughout the years.

    so who said dumervil has to be an every-down starter? duh, of course you'd prefer a guy like that, but if a 4th rounder can make some plays as a 3rd down pass rush specialist on a team in desperate need of help in that area, then it's a pick well spent. . . . i guess teams won't be running on him too much if he's only in the game on passing downs-- if they wanna grind out 5 or 6 on 3rd and 8, more power to 'em! the guy doesn't have to be freeney, 6-8 sacks would be a big upgrade from anyone on last year's roster. . . . robert mathis doesn't play every down for the clots, but he still has an impact on the game. . . . oh, and BTW-- i'd take simeon rice on my D any day and twice on sunday. . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ReleaseTheBeast7
    I say we just use 6 linemen, 3 LBs and 3 DBs on passing downs, then we have our front 7(Or 8) look like this:

    LB LB DT DT DE LB DE DE
    OT OG C OG OT

    Lang and Dumervil are the two DEs on the far right, and DJ is the LB to the left of them... Hell yeah, 3 of the fastest pass rushers on the field coming from one end... MWAHAHAHAHA

    Bahahahahaha no match for our l33t pass rush skillz... Even with 5 WRs(Yes, leaving 2 receivers uncovered), we still bring that package, agressiveness wins championships
    You should send that formation to Coyer. He would most likely really run it. (I really would like a new coordinator, I think he is the worst part of this team and probably the only thing I don't like on it)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmartin575
    Since when does Dumervil have speed? He runs in the 4.7 or 4.8 range.
    So i get this straight, how many reps did Hali have at 225? Didn't Jay Cutler out lift him? So your new "stud" DE is weaker than our backup QB. Good luck with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by no-pseudo-fan
    So i get this straight, how many reps did Hali have at 225? Didn't Jay Cutler out lift him? So your new "stud" DE is weaker than our backup QB. Good luck with that.
    Ha, I think Jay actually outlifted a lot of linemen. Another nice trait to have on the team.

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    Dumervil has been playing end on the second team for some time. He just plays tackle in the first team nickle package.
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