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  1. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXBRONC
    I didn't see the play but on the home page they report it was T. Bell that blew it. I think for the most part the reports have been consistant. It was a mistake by one of our fellow fans but doubt it was done intentionally.
    You know what, i thought it was Tatum originally and one of the guys I report with insisted it was Dayne and so I reported is as such. And yes, we make mistakes and will likely make more.
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    How come there was no mention that one of Jake's INTs was at the goal line (by Foxy) and he took it the other way??

    Isn't like the play against the Panthers in 2004? You know, when he threw 20 INTs.

    Add that to the off-target throws and he's looking more like Jake of old to me.
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    hey kaylore!

    if you have a minute, could you answer a few questions for me? it would be much appreciated. . . . i registered at the mane, but they haven't sent me the info i need to activate my account so i can post there. . . .


    what do you think of cutler running play-action? does he sell the play fakes effectively? and does he lose accuracy throwing on the run?

    can you tell me a little more about corey jackson's skill set? i know the kid has good size-- does he have the quick first step to be a legitimate speed rusher, or does he rely on power? does he have a decent array of moves? i'm hoping that he or dumervil will emerge, since we already know what guys like ekuban can do. . . . . i am holding out some hope for lang, though-- i thought he was the best pass rusher of the bunch when they were all in cleveland. . . .

    also-- have you noticed who's lining up with the first squad in the goal line defense? i'm curious about that because i'd like to see webster or predator possibly replace gold to give us a little more size, though realistically i doubt it'll happen. . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylore
    You know what, i thought it was Tatum originally and one of the guys I report with insisted it was Dayne and so I reported is as such. And yes, we make mistakes and will likely make more.
    Sorry, we have some guys with man-crushes on certain players, so anything that isn't 100% complimentary of their sweethearts pisses them off.

    We have other guys that have unexplained rage towards certain players, so anything that isn't 100% negative of their less-than-favorite player pisses them off.

    I for one am greatful for the reporting that you, SoCal and the others are doing.
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  5. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Colorado69
    It is so annoying to have to avoid half the posts just to avoid the Jake bashing again and again. I know that MTN_boy will never let it go, but will he ever realize just how silly he sounds when he bashes Jake and praises Cutler in every post. Jake is a far better QB right now and makes far fewer mistakes and has much more real experience. Jake is the best for the team and MTN_boy needs to focus on other players and situations. At least try to let it go.


    you do realize that you have an ignore function, right? makes it so much easier to avoid those posts you don't want to read. . . . . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by PsychoChicken
    Just so you guys know:

    Cutler doesn't throw well to his left because he doesn't quite square up to the receiver before throwing the ball. So when he throws to his left, he's throwing across his body. This habit is a direct result of not having much pass protection at Vandy. It's obviously a kink in his game that can be fixed.
    If Cutler has trouble throwing to the left it is new to me. He can put the ball anywhere. He might have made a few not so good passes to the left, but believe me he can go either way .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylore
    You know what, i thought it was Tatum originally and one of the guys I report with insisted it was Dayne and so I reported is as such. And yes, we make mistakes and will likely make more.
    I sure hope you don't think I criticizing you guys. Because I'm glad that you all are doing this for us and I understand mistakes can be made at times.
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    just like,

    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylore
    You know what, i thought it was Tatum originally and one of the guys I report with insisted it was Dayne and so I reported is as such. And yes, we make mistakes and will likely make more.

    the dancing in the backfeild and running into blockers right. i get it now, repoerters always make mistakes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos_mtnman
    Isn't this like the third day in a row that comments have been made from camp about how Jake is "off-target" on several of his throws?

    Seems like he hasn't improved in that area at all from last year. Remember the hammering Putzier took on several off-target throws, along with the missed throws to Lelie?

    It's no secret (not a bash) that Jake has the tendency to be off-target (over-throwing, throwing behind the receiver, etc....). He's been that way his whole time here.

    It appears to continue to be an area of weakness.

    Concerning Jay's throws. That weakness to the left is something I remember reading in one of the pre-draft reports on him. He apparently needs to continue working on getting better in that area.

    As far as BVP goes, I think we are seeing why he's likely to be 3rd string (or gone) by the time the season starts. He simply hasn't put it together.

    I'm excited about what we're hearing about Mike Bell. Could be another one of those Shanny "diamonds" he finds.

    The defense sounds like it's ahead of the offense at this stage of camp. I guess that's to be expected this early. The offense has more new players than the D does.
    There you go, folks. Take a look at the double standard here. And now we are taken back to last year about how bad Jake was. Yup, I guess 60.7% completion ratio and 90.2 passer rating must be miserable. But then, Jake is wild, but Jay just needs a little work.

    For your information, reports have been coming out of camp about how sharp Jake has been.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandyman53
    If Cutler has trouble throwing to the left it is new to me. He can put the ball anywhere. He might have made a few not so good passes to the left, but believe me he can go either way .
    Of course he can, no doubt about that. If he could only throw to half a field, he wouldn't have even made high school JV team.
    Quote Originally Posted by dare2bme
    Does someone out there know if this is a difficult problem to overcome? I know he didn't have any time in college and was throwing off his back foot alot. He doesn't seem to be throwing off his back foot now, but he needs to square his shoulders?? to the receiver?

    This is a little bit deeper into the mechanics of the throw than I know, so I would appreciate some info.

    Thanks...
    Basically, to get the most out of your throw, your left foot (if you're a righty, of course) should be pointed towards the receiver when you set for the throw. That way, you're able to get your momentum directly behind the ball towards the receiver. It's really a very easy thing to fix, and should come naturally as he grows more comfortable with his surroundings.
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    Actually I was also at both camps today, morning and afternoon.

    Tatum actually was playing half with the second team and half with the first team. On many of the goal line drills in the middle of the field he was on first team and he pushed the pile very effectively. (They were in the middle of the field because in the last two days they have tore up the endzone area pretty affectively, so they blocked out some of the 40-40 area to have "red zone" plays and the referee's put their hand up if a touchdown was scored.

    Dayne for the most part ran with the first team but did not have a great day today. He seemed a step or two slow because the defense on most plays tagged him most of the time in the backfield and he did not even get to the line of scrimmage in a lot of plays.

    My prediction is that Mike Bell will be the third running back. He has a very quick burst coming out of a cut. It seems that he gets to full speed within 3 steps. He is very quick when running.

    Tony S. is still having an impressive camp. Catches many different types of passes from different QB's. I saw three plays in a row that they went to Tony S. with different looks and he made all the catches.

    Duane Carswell looks really good and is doing a good job on his blocking assignments.

    Brandon Marshall actually dropped a pass today. By the most part he has been really consistent in his ability to catch the ball.

    Nick Ferguson employed the crowd to Cheer for the defense this afternoon, but very few of us did because the offense is much more fun to cheer for.

    The autograph line has new rules... You have to stay in the autograph line and not go to the practice. You cannot save spots for anyone. If you leave the auto graph line you lose your place in line. My 10 year old son chose the autograph line today and I chose the practice. George Foster and John Lynch signed today.

    Here are some other tidbits, in the morning you stand in a line to get to the field and you could line up all the way out to the store. In the afternoon one just crowds as close to the spot where they open the ropes for the fan. Also if you are first in line, you will probably won't get a real good view from the hill bacause you are ushered all the way up front and moved along by the Customer Service people that they have there. It is better to be in the middle so you can get as close to the VIP section as possible. (The VIP section is on the 50 yard line, consisting of one 45 yard line to the other with the section roped off.)
    In fact the worst job of training camp would be the Customer Service Person that has to continually tell people to move if they do not have a VIP sticker.

    Some of the best close up photgraphs can be taken when the Broncos are doing exercises. They are not action shots but many, individual standing shots and then other pictures of training camp in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topscribe
    There you go, folks. Take a look at the double standard here. And now we are taken back to last year about how bad Jake was. Yup, I guess 60.7% completion ratio and 90.2 passer rating must be miserable. But then, Jake is wild, but Jay just needs a little work.

    For your information, reports have been coming out of camp about how sharp Jake has been.

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    Good post agains keep them honest

    OK lets again not confuse the facts here, some folks just might believe that load that is constant from the bashers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by broncos_mtnman
    You're right about the spirals too.

    Have you seen any of the camp video on Cutler?

    He throws a beautiful spiral.

    Sometimes on his quick slants, etc one can't hardly see the ball to know if it has spiraled or not!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaylore
    You know what, i thought it was Tatum originally and one of the guys I report with insisted it was Dayne and so I reported is as such. And yes, we make mistakes and will likely make more.
    Its okay Kaylore your guys reports have been awesome and unbiased. We're thankful for the information and updates and know you guys don't have to do them, but you guys do them for the love of the team and to give us (the fans) that aren't able to make it to training camp and see these things for ourselves.

    You guys will make mistakes and its likely because we're only humans and we're not perfect so keep kicking our these good reports and keeping us posted on our team. Go Broncos!!!

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    Here is some stuff from the afternoon report....a few of the older guys got the afternoon off.

    QB's

    Well they all kind of sucked today. The coverage was very good and the pass rush was a problem so it wasn't always their fault. Couple that with a really nasty wind today and you ca see why this was a problem. I think all three QB's got picked off at least once. BVP had one, cutler had two (one was dropped) and Plummer had one.

    Plummer: He's been decent but not great - especially of late. I still have yet to see him hook up with someone deep. He threw a deep pass today that was twenty yards too deep and to the right and it was against the wind so that can't even be used as an excuse. It's starting to make me upset.

    Cutler: I actually met and got to talk with his Dad today. He's smart and really understands football. The Florida game that was essentially decided with a bogus call sticks in his craw. Great guy.

    Anyway Cutler had the least trouble getting his passes off. His velocity really helps keep the wind from altering the course of the ball. He looked like he made some more mental errors. Someone was on the wrong page because he threw to Kircus who was running a post and Cutler seemed to think he was on a go and the ball hit Roc Alexander in the chest. Another one Chad Mustard didn't break on the ball and it went through his hands and Kevin Harrison almost caught it. In Move-the-Ball his drive was the one that got furthest down field before the D shut it down.

    BVP: I actually think he's playing very solid for him. He had some decent passes and the ball didn't get away from him as much as i thought it would. On a zero-blitz he just threw the ball up for grabs and Foxworth just out jumped Terrell for it and got the int. He's not too bad at rolling out. All our QB's have shown at least some proficiency on running the boot and throwing.

    RB's

    Dayne was bad. Mike Bell is still running with the second team with Dayne and Tatum spliting reps on the first team. Tatum is starting to pull away as the better back. SoCal and I think Shanahan is trying to force the issue of Dayne being a good back, because Mike Bell out-classes him in every aspect and he still is behind him. If the preseason shows the same things and Dayne is still nubmer one, I'm going to be pissed.

    Dayne isn't getting any better, and I don't think he's going to. He's a soft runner, has no burst, and if his line doesn't hand him huge holes on a silver plate, he's stopped in his tracks. He doesn't even have any shifty moves. That said he's a decent back. He'll generally cover up well and does take the holes when they're there and he knows the system. However, as I said, he's not scaring anybody.

    Tatum Bell is having better vision so he's seeing the cutback lanes and taking them. He has more burst, more elusiveness and he's a threat to take it to the house every time. Tatum right now is actually better in short yardage situations than Dayne because he can go over guys and in moving the pile, he has just as much push as Dayne.

    Mike Bell is fast, cuts on a dime, falls forward, can break a long run, runs downhill, has superior vision, is great in pass protection and is 6'00" and weighs 220.

    Safeties: Hamza Abdullah is the real deal. He's still playing solid and had a would-be int except it hit the ground. Two zebras ruled it an incomplete pass but Mediator thinks he was robbed (I think it hit the ground).

    Cox is really good in coverage. His run supposrt is getting better but he needs to work on getting off his blocks otherwise it could be hard to not only use him in certain situations.

    Wideouts

    Kircus and Marshall are still the same. They really impress. Both of them were used on special teams as return men along with Mike Bell. They all did really well. There were fewer mental errors today except for that int that Cutler was trying to hit Kircus on. One of them messed up. After practice Shanahan laid into the wideouts saying they weren't settling into their positions and it was hurting the QB's. Funny things like that happen when you're missing Javon and Rod Smith.

    Devoe had a hard time today fighting through that injury. He had some key drops and left the field throwing his gloves on the ground. He wants to make the team but is hurt and knows that other guys are stepping up while he's hurting.

    Scheffler: Not as many big grabs but clearly played well today. Our D does a good job of covering the tight ends. Run blocking continues to improve.

    OFFENSIVE LINE

    He was doing pretty well earlier this week but Chris Kuper struggled alot. He allowed Michael Myers to collapse the pocket on one occasion and he was also abused by Khaleed Vaughn. Cooper gave up a sack and Myers got confused by a twist, but other than that I thought the OL was okay. I saw Foster get confused as to his assignment only once on a stunt.

    DEFENSIVE LINE

    Khaleed Vaughn (#95) did a nice job today. He pursued down the line well when the run went away from him and did a good job rushing the passer against some of the younger OL. By some kind of mixup a back ended up blocking Corey Jackson and he easily got past him to the QB.

    LINEBACKERS

    Unfortuneatly #57 T.J. Hollowell suffered a leg/calf/ankle type injury and was escorted from the field. Don't know how bad it was but Greek was with him there on the sideline doing his thing for awhile. Backup linebacker Ray Wells had a nice afternoon. He almost had a pick and broke up a pass. Burnsie blew up two runs nicely.
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